What Has Mike Trout Done In Your League?

[madJ]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

My guess is he was referencing this post:

Everyone here knows it's only numbers and that OOTP doesn't recognize any names. But what makes the game fun is to connect with fictional players to increase the immersion. And after all Mike Trout was one of the best players in my league when he went down with that injury at the age of 23.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by madJ

Everyone here knows it's only numbers and that OOTP doesn't recognize any names. But what makes the game fun is to connect with fictional players to increase the immersion. And after all Mike Trout was one of the best players in my league when he went down with that injury at the age of 23.

I completely agree; I wasn't putting you down or anything for saying that, I was just explaining to The Game which post bwburke was likely referencing.

[madJ]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

I completely agree; I wasn't putting you down or anything for saying that, I was just explaining to The Game which post bwburke was likely referencing.

Yeah, I understand that. I probably should have quoted the other post instead.

[BabyLemonade]

In my OOTP13 game yr 2017 Trout was a minor league journeyman without ever having a great year.
Having that in mind in OOTP14 i kept my distance. He has won MVP 2years in a row for the Angels:
2013: G159 .295/.366/.490 RBI 98 RUNS 92 WAR:8.4
2014: G159 .305/.381/.517 RBI 90 RUNS 118 WAR 9.7(!!)

Taveras & Harper are playing for my Cubs and on a WS win year they went respectively:
G123 .288/.329/.431 RBI 47 RUNS 61 WAR 2.3
G132 .353/.423/.606 RBI 79 RUNS 98 WAR 8.3 (won MVP)

[tejdog1]

Originally Posted by philthepat

Trading Travis D'Arnaud, Zack Wheeler, Gavin Cecchini and Noah Syndergaard for Trout is a no-brainer, right?

I should also add that Trout just won 2013 AL MVP after a 9.9 WAR season...

Gah. I'm not sure I'd make that trade. That is SO much talent to be giving up for one (no matter how otherworldly godlike he's been) player.

Have you read what people IRL are saying about Syndergaard? OOTP rates him way way wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too low.

[philthepat]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

Gah. I'm not sure I'd make that trade. That is SO much talent to be giving up for one (no matter how otherworldly godlike he's been) player.

Have you read what people IRL are saying about Syndergaard? OOTP rates him way way wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too low.

I know its the whole 'stuck between a rock and a hard place' thing...

I did it though, so naturally now he'll go and get a CEI...

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

Have you read what people IRL are saying about Syndergaard? OOTP rates him way way wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too low.

As I did the ratings for Syndergaard, or at least checked them, and am a Mets fan at that, I have to disagree.

When you say "what people IRL are saying about Syndergaard?" are you referring to those who rate his curve as a 7 pitch or those who rate it as a 3? The reports are split 50-50 on that.

Big difference there, which kind of matters when making future projections. I tend to believe the more realistic reports (that he has issues with his breaking ball), until they've been definitively proven wrong. It makes little sense to believe that Syndergaard's breaking ball has gone from being a show me pitch to ++ in the course of 6 months. So I just plain don't believe the guys hanging a 7 on it. I'd believe that it's a 5 or something, not that it suddenly and magically became a 7 though.

At any rate, early in 14, when the ratings were done, he was just another top 30-40ish prospect, with some real questions about his breaking ball. He's been good enough this year that he'll get a very nice boost in 15, but seriously, take a look back at the lists of top prospects from a few years ago. Even the guys in Syndergaard's rarefied category have a huge failure rate. Top 10 pitching prospects regularly turn into back of the rotation innings eaters, bullpen arms, AAAA guys, or injury ravaged wrecks.

Syndergaard's potentials in OOTP rate him as capable of being an ace, especially if he gets a boost or two from the game. If we rate him much higher, and he gets a boost or two from the game, then suddenly he's Bob Gibson. That wouldn't exactly be accurate.

Don't let fandom blind you to the reality of dealing with top prospects. They're nearly always overrated and fans nearly always have unrealistic and hyper-inflated expectations, thinking them saviors and legends when most simply turn out to be good, not great players.

I remember a discussion on some prospect blog a few years ago, where the blog would make career projections for top prospects. They gave Phil Hughes an incredibly optimistic projection, a borderline hall of fame career, something like 225 career wins. Then promptly got flamed by Yankees fans who were outraged that they hadn't projected Hughes to be even better than that How's that kind of mindless optimism looking now? And Hughes was a legitimately great prospect. Clearly better then than Syndergaard now.

Those guys who do turn out to be great, like Harvey, often do so by making a jump at the MLB level that couldn't have been predicted by their past performances alone. So it's hard to tell who these guys will be in advance, you usually have to wait till after it's happened to know.

[D-BacksJosh]

2 straight All-Star selections... 2014 - 1st in runs scored, 1st in IBB's, 1st in WAR.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I remember a discussion on some prospect blog a few years ago, where the blog would make career projections for top prospects. They gave Phil Hughes an incredibly optimistic projection, a borderline hall of fame career, something like 225 career wins. Then promptly got flamed by Yankees fans who were outraged that they hadn't projected Hughes to be even better than that How's that kind of mindless optimism looking now? And Hughes was a legitimately great prospect. Clearly better then than Syndergaard now.

I hope you're referring to the infamous Hughes2.50 of NYYFans.com, and his projections of the Yankees' Royal Flush, using something called "cubic transformations."

Those projections are treasured on Red Sox discussion sites around the world to this very day.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by JMDurron

I hope you're referring to the infamous Hughes2.50 of NYYFans.com, and his projections of the Yankees' Royal Flush, using something called "cubic transformations."

Those projections are treasured on Red Sox discussion sites around the world to this very day.

Sadly, I'm not. Forget the site. It wasn't a Yankees site, just a general prospect site.

Looked up the Royal Flush stuff just now. Haven't read much but seems like it might get pretty hilarious

[The Game]

Update on Trout, injured yet again.

[Kevdog1020]

WAR from 2013 on:

7.3
7.6
6.9
7.9
6.3
5.9

Note: He's also been healthy every year except his most recent year when he missed around 20 games.