Retirement

Mr. Baseball · 01-01-2014, 08:50 PM

From my experience, older free agents always retire after exactly two years of not being signed. It's not realistic that every single one of them retires after the exact same amount of time without a contract. Has anyone else noticed this?

The Game · 01-01-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

From my experience, older free agents always retire after exactly two years of not being signed. It's not realistic that every single one of them retires after the exact same amount of time without a contract. Has anyone else noticed this?

In another thread Markus stated that is by design that they retire after 2 years of sitting as a FA. I have no problem with it.

Mr. Baseball · 01-01-2014, 08:59 PM

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In another thread Markus stated that is by design that they retire after 2 years of sitting as a FA. I have no problem with it.

Why would they design something to be unrealistic? Do players still retire while they're under contract? I don't think I've seen it since earlier versions.

The Game · 01-01-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Why would they design something to be unrealistic? Do players still retire while they're under contract? I don't think I've seen it since earlier versions.

Why do you feel it is unrealistic? Jermaine Dye went unsigned for 2 years and announced his retirement. Do you want players like Barry Bonds after not playing for 7 yrs finally says he retires? I have 2800 FA, I wish they would retire sooner. Yes players retire while under contract although it is rare. I have a 39 yr old C I have unretired twice.

Cryomaniac · 01-01-2014, 09:24 PM

I think there should be some variance in how long it takes for FAs to retire, based on things like Greed (higher Greed means they're likely to hang on for one last payday a bit longer).

Mr. Baseball · 01-01-2014, 09:24 PM

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Why do you feel it is unrealistic? Jermaine Dye went unsigned for 2 years and announced his retirement. Do you want players like Barry Bonds after not playing for 7 yrs finally says he retires? I have 2800 FA, I wish they would retire sooner. Yes players retire while under contract although it is rare. I have a 39 yr old C I have unretired twice.

It's unrealistic because 100% of players don't retire after exactly two years. Some go later, some go earlier. Why make every single player the exact same? That's ridiculous.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-01-2014, 10:23 PM

Let R=765 days (2 yrs)

Let A=Rand(-765 to +765)
Let W=ROUND(work ethic, 5,0)
Let A(A)=(A+1.05)/A

Let R(R)=[(R+A)*(A(A))]

Let Z=R(R)+[(R(R)/(W))]

Where Z is the number of days from first free-agency to when the player will actually retire.

I think I have that formula right.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-01-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I think there should be some variance in how long it takes for FAs to retire, based on things like Greed (higher Greed means they're likely to hang on for one last payday a bit longer).

Darn!

Now I need to figure out G sub G.

Honorable_Pawn · 01-01-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

It's unrealistic because 100% of players don't retire after exactly two years. Some go later, some go earlier. Why make every single player the exact same? That's ridiculous.

I honestly never noticed.

Lukas Berger · 01-01-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

It's unrealistic because 100% of players don't retire after exactly two years. Some go later, some go earlier. Why make every single player the exact same? That's ridiculous.

It's just a way of clearing out the free agent lists. Much easier to program everyone for a certain set time rather than variable times. It's really no big deal either way though imo. Irl if a player doesn't sign with anyone in two years 99.5% of the time he's essentially retired, whether it's been announced or not. Few to no guys will come back after that long away from the game.

Lukas Berger · 01-01-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Why would they design something to be unrealistic? Do players still retire while they're under contract? I don't think I've seen it since earlier versions.

Yes they do.

RchW · 01-01-2014, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yes they do.

I also see a list of players, both majors and minors who retire every year. No 2 year wait, it happens after the WS.

Fyrestorm3 · 01-01-2014, 11:45 PM

It's a programming thing. It's infinitely simpler to just program the game to know that 2 Free Agent years = retirement than to create an algorithm that causes a realistic number to retire after 2, and 3, and 4, and 5 years. And it's something that, if they DID write the algorithm for, no one would notice. Too much work, too little payoff.

It just doesn't seem like a big deal to me - out of all the minor immersion-breakers in OOTP, this seems to be by far one of the most minute.

Mr. Baseball · 01-02-2014, 12:16 AM

Along similar lines, OOTP has an abnormal number of players age 38-40 that think they can keep playing until their arm falls off. I have seen at least a half dozen times former All Star starters and relievers asking for 5-6 year contracts at age 39 for huge sums of money. It's making it impossible to sign any of my veterans.

RchW · 01-02-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Along similar lines, OOTP has an abnormal number of players age 38-40 that think they can keep playing until their arm falls off. I have seen at least a half dozen times former All Star starters and relievers asking for 5-6 year contracts at age 39 for huge sums of money. It's making it impossible to sign any of my veterans.

Why?

Surely you don't want to sign them for sentimental reasons.

le receveur · 01-02-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Why?

Surely you don't want to sign them for sentimental reasons.

why not? the Jays did with Roy just now. the expos signed Carter for a last year...

RANGER11JP · 01-22-2014, 07:29 PM

I remember when the game would radomly UNRETIRE a player. Then the teeth griting news blub of "...RETIRES FROM RETIREMENT" appear!

(Will that ever be corrected to maybe "...returns from retirement"?

How about the option of offering a retired guy enough money that he agrees to come back from retirement? (if young/talented/able enough?

JP

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Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	Retirement From my experience, older free agents always retire after exactly two years of not being signed. It's not realistic that every single one of them retires after the exact same amount of time without a contract. Has anyone else noticed this? __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I think there should be some variance in how long it takes for FAs to retire, based on things like Greed (higher Greed means they're likely to hang on for one last payday a bit longer). __________________

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Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Let R=765 days (2 yrs) Let A=Rand(-765 to +765) Let W=ROUND(work ethic, 5,0) Let A(A)=(A+1.05)/A Let R(R)=[(R+A)(A(A))] Let Z=R(R)+[(R(R)/(W))] Where Z is the number of days from first free-agency to when the player will actually retire. I think I have that formula right. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.* Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 01-01-2014 at 10:24 PM.

01-02-2014, 12:16 AM	#14
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	Along similar lines, OOTP has an abnormal number of players age 38-40 that think they can keep playing until their arm falls off. I have seen at least a half dozen times former All Star starters and relievers asking for 5-6 year contracts at age 39 for huge sums of money. It's making it impossible to sign any of my veterans. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

01-22-2014, 07:29 PM	#17
RANGER11JP All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,372	I remember when the game would radomly UNRETIRE a player. Then the teeth griting news blub of "...RETIRES FROM RETIREMENT" appear! (Will that ever be corrected to maybe "...returns from retirement"? How about the option of offering a retired guy enough money that he agrees to come back from retirement? (if young/talented/able enough? JP __________________ BASEBALL, HOCKEY AND BOXING FAN

01-01-2014, 11:45 PM	#13
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	It's a programming thing. It's infinitely simpler to just program the game to know that 2 Free Agent years = retirement than to create an algorithm that causes a realistic number to retire after 2, and 3, and 4, and 5 years. And it's something that, if they DID write the algorithm for, no one would notice. Too much work, too little payoff. It just doesn't seem like a big deal to me - out of all the minor immersion-breakers in OOTP, this seems to be by far one of the most minute.