Pitch Selection, Pitch Location, Pickoff Percentage, Etc...

[otiluke711]

Please add the following features...if possible in manager mode:

Pitch Selection...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Pitch Location...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Changing Speeds...the ability to change speed of a type of pitch
Pitch Out...Include this option
Pickoff Percentage...The chance of picking off players...On the other side, other players might be easier to pick off than others...Include the possibility of the left handed pitcher picking off players about to steal a base during the windup...
The Option To Learn New Pitches...
Pitch Quality...How effective a type of pitch is for a pitcher...how good is their sinker/fastball/curveball/screwball/knuckleball/knuckle0curveball/slider/changeup/etcetera compared to other players in the league?...
The ability to change arm angles when throwing a pitch...
The rare possibility of a balk to make things interesting....
Weaknesses in a batter pitchers can exploit....These things might appear in the scouting report and be used by a pitcher in game...Maybe a hitter can't handle inside pitches, or power hitters often struggle with off-speed stuff....Some hitters like the ball down...Others like it up...Have these strengths and weaknesses come into the equation against a pitcher who has good/poor control...

[The Game]

Originally Posted by otiluke711

Please add the following features...if possible in manager mode:

Pitch Selection...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Pitch Location...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Changing Speeds...the ability to change speed of a type of pitch
Pitch Out...Include this option
Pickoff Percentage...The chance of picking off players...On the other side, other players might be easier to pick off than others...Include the possibility of the left handed pitcher picking off players about to steal a base during the windup...
The Option To Learn New Pitches...
Pitch Quality...How effective a type of pitch is for a pitcher...how good is their sinker/fastball/curveball/screwball/knuckleball/knuckle0curveball/slider/changeup/etcetera compared to other players in the league?...
The ability to change arm angles when throwing a pitch...
The rare possibility of a balk to make things interesting....
Weaknesses in a batter pitchers can exploit....These things might appear in the scouting report and be used by a pitcher in game...Maybe a hitter can't handle inside pitches, or power hitters often struggle with off-speed stuff....Some hitters like the ball down...Others like it up...Have these strengths and weaknesses come into the equation against a pitcher who has good/poor control...

Not a fan of most of these and some already exist. I dont want to have to select which pitch the pitcher is going to throw. i am sure others will expand on their disdain for #1 & #2. Isn't that what a changeup is for?
Pitch out already exists.
Hold rating is what factors into picking players off. A 10 (1-10 scale) means he will have a higher chance of picking the player off.
Some pitchers will learn a new pitch or at least thtas what people keep saying. I have seen 1-2 guys have a 1 changeup that will improve to a 5 but I have not seen a guy not have a 3rd pitch automatically have one after several seasons.
The pitch quality is rated by the scout. I dont think they should be compared to other pitchers but I would imagine that comes into play somehow.
Arm angles dont matter in OOTP but i am for that.
Balks happen often, sometimes too often. I edit many of my CL in one of my leagues when I do their balk rating is 200 per 500 AB's I always have to edit them down. I have lost many games including a World series game to a walk off balk. I would imagine that many AI created CL have high Balk ratings also.
all for the last one.
So 3 good ideas 2 -3 that already exist and 2-3 that are pointless in my opinion but really interested to see what others like Wolf, Lukas, Quest and RchW think.

I agree with all the propositions mentioned above (I mean in the first post).

[DatCloserKid]

I think it would be nice to have an option to have a batter hit to a certain field

[The Game]

Originally Posted by DatCloserKid

I think it would be nice to have an option to have a batter hit to a certain field

You think they have control over that? Sure they might lean a bit towards RF in the box but they have to hit the pitch they get. Very few hitters control where they can hot the ball. I am sure some can. Ted Williams, Jim Thome and several other dead pull hitters could not even when their was no 3B.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by DatCloserKid

I think it would be nice to have an option to have a batter hit to a certain field

Originally Posted by The Game

You think they have control over that? Sure they might lean a bit towards RF in the box but they have to hit the pitch they get. Very few hitters control where they can hot the ball. I am sure some can. Ted Williams, Jim Thome and several other dead pull hitters could not even when their was no 3B.

With a man on 1st I'd expect to see more of everything hit to the right side.

[Gil Thorp]

Originally Posted by otiluke711

Please add the following features...if possible in manager mode:

Pitch Selection...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Pitch Location...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Changing Speeds...the ability to change speed of a type of pitch
Pitch Out...Include this option
Pickoff Percentage...The chance of picking off players...On the other side, other players might be easier to pick off than others...Include the possibility of the left handed pitcher picking off players about to steal a base during the windup...
The Option To Learn New Pitches...
Pitch Quality...How effective a type of pitch is for a pitcher...how good is their sinker/fastball/curveball/screwball/knuckleball/knuckle0curveball/slider/changeup/etcetera compared to other players in the league?...
The ability to change arm angles when throwing a pitch...
The rare possibility of a balk to make things interesting....
Weaknesses in a batter pitchers can exploit....These things might appear in the scouting report and be used by a pitcher in game...Maybe a hitter can't handle inside pitches, or power hitters often struggle with off-speed stuff....Some hitters like the ball down...Others like it up...Have these strengths and weaknesses come into the equation against a pitcher who has good/poor control...

This is just ridiculous.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by The Game

Some pitchers will learn a new pitch or at least thtas what people keep saying. I have seen 1-2 guys have a 1 changeup that will improve to a 5 but I have not seen a guy not have a 3rd pitch automatically have one after several seasons.
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i would still love to be able to have someone learn to throw a knuckleball...

[Gil Thorp]

Originally Posted by le receveur

i would still love to be able to have someone learn to throw a knuckleball...

It would be kind of cool if a bad pitcher all of sudden develops a knuckleball and becomes really good.

[otiluke711]

I still like to play the role of pitcher and batter in this game...Managers do tell pitchers to throw certain pitches and they do sometimes relay locations of pitches to the catcher...I don't see why this is not feasible...And, it's possible sometimes for coaches and runners to steal signs and tell the batter what's being thrown and/or pick up the general location of the next pitch.

Also, create a mental game between the pitcher and batter...As a batter, I'm looking for certain pitches in certain locations when I face a pitcher. As a pitcher, I'm looking to throw off the batter who's looking for a certain pitch in a certain location.

The person who wins this mental game is the one who either gets the strikeout or the one who hits a homer. To win this mental game, the batter needs to be able to anticipate what pitch is coming up to a certain extent. The pitcher wins by using misdirection to throw off the batter.

Then, of course, there are certain batters who can look fastball and still adjust to the off-speed stuff. This would depend on how good the pitcher's stuff versus the batter's ability to adjust well and see the ball clearly...

This can be turned into some sort of a mini game.

Of course, if people do not like this idea, they can always turn it off in the settings page.

[Gil Thorp]

You do realize that this is a computer program and not a bunch of little men inside your machine playing baseball right? I still remember how long it took to get a foul out to an outfielder as a play result.

[Gil Thorp]

And now a maybe somewhat useful post. I've never thought when managing a game that I should be able to call for a pick off throw. If I choose to hold a runner, it should be assumed that the pitcher will throw over and a successful pick off should just show up in the PBP like it does for the AI team. Same with a pick off at second. It should be rare and probably only attempted by pitchers with a good hold rating. I'd also like an option where the catcher makes the calls for a pitch out. It's really easy to abuse the AI with pitch outs when playing high steal eras. It's probably more accurate anyways when playing eras when managers didn't micromanage everything that happened on the field.

[olivertheorem]

Originally Posted by otiluke711

Pitch Selection...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Pitch Location...the ability to select type of pitch being thrown
Changing Speeds...the ability to change speed of a type of pitch

These are basically fluff right now anyway. I don't know why we need the ability to specify which fluff we're getting on a given pitch.

Pitch Out...Include this option
Pickoff Percentage...The chance of picking off players...On the other side, other players might be easier to pick off than others...Include the possibility of the left handed pitcher picking off players about to steal a base during the windup...
The Option To Learn New Pitches...

Already in the game in some form or other. (I did see a pitcher pick up a new pitch once that I recall).

Pitch Quality...How effective a type of pitch is for a pitcher...how good is their sinker/fastball/curveball/screwball/knuckleball/knuckle0curveball/slider/changeup/etcetera compared to other players in the league?...

Pitches are already rated, same as everything else.

The ability to change arm angles when throwing a pitch...

More fluff. Might be interesting to have on the profile page, but it would still be fluff.

The rare possibility of a balk to make things interesting....
Weaknesses in a batter pitchers can exploit....These things might appear in the scouting report and be used by a pitcher in game...Maybe a hitter can't handle inside pitches, or power hitters often struggle with off-speed stuff....Some hitters like the ball down...Others like it up...Have these strengths and weaknesses come into the equation against a pitcher who has good/poor control...

As mentioned earlier, pitch location as it currently exists is fluff. I do not think, personally, that the time/cost factor to make it not fluff is worth it.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

It would be kind of cool if a bad pitcher all of sudden develops a knuckleball and becomes really good.

It would be awesome, but the only issue with something like this is getting the rarity down. This should NOT be a common occurrence, and I think we would all agree on that. But you know that the second it happens more than once in someone's game, there'd be complaints about it being too common.

[tomwolf2008]

Let's please do not make this game behave like 2Ks or The Shows because if you are able to decide to throw what kind of pitch to where, then you are basically control a pitcher and that's what an arcade game does. And over time, if you are good at it, human will dominate the AI which is not something I want to see

[RchW]

I agree with most of the fluff comments and also that much of what the OP asked for is in the game. However it did get me thinking about ways to expand the pitcher and pitch ratings to create differentiation between starters and relievers. I don't necessarily think that you need to have numbers on the second set.

The idea comes from this thread.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...velopment.html