Terrible Logic for free agent signings after February

[RchW]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The complaint still stands. Guys are turning down 3/70 in MP and signing 3/30 every single season. Multiple guys per season, every single season. If you aren't seeing it then I believe that you have merely played 500 SP seasons.

And that doesn't happen in my leagues, so it isn't a fundamental game problem. There may be some combination of financial and AI logic that creates your issue.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RchW

And that doesn't happen in my leagues, so it isn't a fundamental game problem. There may be some combination of financial and AI logic that creates your issue.

What MP league are you in? I'd like to check out the website/settings.

[stevew]

Please teach me how to fix the finances because I am all ears and desperately would like to do this.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Major difference between a superstar asking a team for more when he has Seattle sitting @ the table with him too, than a guy who is merely "pretty good" flat out saying no to the only team interested in him.

Anyway, assuming Seattle walks, I doubt Cano comes back and signs in February for 7M per.

If you want to get on about a guy like Cano, we had a AAAAA SP hit FA a couple of years back. He got atleast a dozen offers, yet for some strange reason he signed in the very first off-season sim. That was pretty odd as well.

"Well they offered me fair contract, but we have 11 other teams who were close, think we should see if anyone else can offer a little more?"

"Naw, sign it."

My point was that if a player misses the market opportunity it can cost him big. Was I surprised that Josh Johnson signed early in FA this year? No, because if he waited even 1 week teams would have looked twice and offered half of the already halved offers they might have contemplated.

I realize their is no real "knowledge" here, just some logic and common sense.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RchW

My point was that if a player misses the market opportunity it can cost him big. Was I surprised that Josh Johnson signed early in FA this year? No, because if he waited even 1 week teams would have looked twice and offered half of the already halved offers they might have contemplated.

I realize their is no real "knowledge" here, just some logic and common sense.

Is there a hidden "market opportunity" rating in OOTP?

Basically the problem here is with contract logic as it pertains to MP with absolutely no AI contracts being sent out. Please tell me that you play MP, since you have been here arguing that there is no issue with any of this.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Is there a hidden "market opportunity" rating in OOTP?

your serie of post got me curious. Are the FA decision all purely financial, or do chance to play in a specific place, to play for a contender, to play on real grass, etc... also come into play?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by le receveur

your serie of post got me curious. Are the FA decision all purely financial, or do chance to play in a specific place, to play for a contender, to play on real grass, etc... also come into play?

I believe this has been posted before but player personalities play a factor in where players sign and for how much.
Out of the Park Baseball Manual

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by RchW

And that doesn't happen in my leagues, so it isn't a fundamental game problem. There may be some combination of financial and AI logic that creates your issue.

This is what I am thinking.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by The Game

I believe this has been posted before but player personalities play a factor in where players sign and for how much.
Out of the Park Baseball Manual

so an introvert will not take a contract in NY type stuff?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

This is what I am thinking.

Link me your MP league where this doesn't happen. I'm not here to prove an issue exists, so there isn't any point in denying it. I'm simply here to fix the issue in our league so we can get rid of it. If you have an MP league where this doesn't happen, ever, link it to me so I can look at the settings and house rules. Otherwise you aren't adding anything to this conversation. It has been established that aggressive AI in SP is hiding the silly free agent logic. This most likely isn't being seen in SP, the bad logic is still there, but the AI is hiding it by offering mass amounts of contracts that don't happen in MP.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Link me your MP league where this doesn't happen. I'm not here to prove an issue exists, so there isn't any point in denying it. I'm simply here to fix the issue in our league so we can get rid of it. If you have an MP league where this doesn't happen, ever, link it to me so I can look at the settings and house rules. Otherwise you aren't adding anything to this conversation. It has been established that aggressive AI in SP is hiding the silly free agent logic. This most likely isn't being seen in SP, the bad logic is still there, but the AI is hiding it by offering mass amounts of contracts that don't happen in MP.

Well, aren't you just hypersensitive to very thought that the problem might not be fundamental to the game. There may very well may be some combination of financial and AI logic and settings driving this. Usually this is the case. But the burden of proof is always on the person making the complaint, so you need to prove to us that this is NOT the case. Otherwise YOU aren't adding anything to this conversation.

And if you don't want public comments, then don't post on a public message board.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Well, aren't you just hypersensitive to very thought that the problem might not be fundamental to the game. There may very well may be some combination of financial and AI logic and settings driving this. Usually this is the case. But the burden of proof is always on the person making the complaint, so you need to prove to us that this is NOT the case. Otherwise YOU aren't adding anything to this conversation.

And if you don't want public comments, then don't post on a public message board.

Visit the website, hell, visit any MP website. Join our league. I have tons of proof. The website has been linked multiple times here. What exact proof do you have that it doesn't exist? People that ignore issues hurt this game, it is the reason people don't like to come here. It's why bug reports are low here as well, you guys run everyone off. Do me a favor. Turn on your SP game, take control of every team. Go to the offseason. Offer a free agent 70% of his asking price with one team. Do nothing else. Simulate to ST and then sign that guy for less than 1/2 of his asking price over basically the same amout of years you offered the first time. Then tell me this isn't broken.

[Roy Tucker]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Well, aren't you just hypersensitive to very thought that the problem might not be fundamental to the game. There may very well may be some combination of financial and AI logic and settings driving this. Usually this is the case. But the burden of proof is always on the person making the complaint, so you need to prove to us that this is NOT the case. Otherwise YOU aren't adding anything to this conversation.

And if you don't want public comments, then don't post on a public message board.

Prior to this comment, The Wolf's only other contribution to this thread was "This is what I am thinking."

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Well, aren't you just hypersensitive to very thought that the problem might not be fundamental to the game. There may very well may be some combination of financial and AI logic and settings driving this. Usually this is the case. But the burden of proof is always on the person making the complaint, so you need to prove to us that this is NOT the case. Otherwise YOU aren't adding anything to this conversation.

And if you don't want public comments, then don't post on a public message board.

Proof was already provided in this thread. Stevew posted proof. Why ignore that?

Sure, I know what you'll say, it's a isolated incident. Thing is, it's not. It's a common issue in ALL MP leagues. Some don't think about it, some don't care, but it's there, and I would imagine for this game to be as good as it can be, it would be smart to bring it to the developers attention so they can hopefully fix it.

Dubb asked you to provide a link to the MP game where this doesn't happen. Your response is it's not on you to prove anything? Why are you even commenting then?

I can see why this board gets a bad reputation....wow

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Visit the website, hell, visit any MP website. Join our league. I have tons of proof. The website has been linked multiple times here. What exact proof do you have that it doesn't exist? People that ignore issues hurt this game, it is the reason people don't like to come here. It's why bug reports are low here as well, you guys run everyone off. Do me a favor. Turn on your SP game, take control of every team. Go to the offseason. Offer a free agent 70% of his asking price with one team. Do nothing else. Simulate to ST and then sign that guy for less than 1/2 of his asking price over basically the same amout of years you offered the first time. Then tell me this isn't broken.

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Proof was already provided in this thread. Stevew posted proof. Why ignore that?

Sure, I know what you'll say, it's a isolated incident. Thing is, it's not. It's a common issue in ALL MP leagues. Some don't think about it, some don't care, but it's there, and I would imagine for this game to be as good as it can be, it would be smart to bring it to the developers attention so they can hopefully fix it.

Dubb asked you to provide a link to the MP game where this doesn't happen. Your response is it's not on you to prove anything? Why are you even commenting then?

I can see why this board gets a bad reputation....wow

I didn't realize that you guys were talking about an MP only problem until a few posts ago. That's certainly worth investigating more. I can't help, since I don't play MP.

I'll try to post a link to this thread in the beta forum a little later to see if anyone has some ideas or if the MP players on the beta team have the same issues.

As for the board, yeah there are a few folks who often go out of their way to be jerks on here. I don't know why that is, it's a real shame.

Still there are actually far, far more nice, friendly, helpful folks around here than jerks. You can always add some of the jerks to your ignore list so that they won't bother you so much or just try to ignore them the best you can.

[The Wolf]

Nice. Regardless, the burden of proof remains on the complainer. Convince the powers that be that it's an actual game issue and it will get fixed. Throw a fit and good luck.

[The Wolf]

Or maybe I should have said "Keep throwing fits."

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Nice. Regardless, the burden of proof remains on the complainer. Convince the powers that be that it's an actual game issue and it will get fixed. Throw a fit and good luck.

I think Luka summed you up best in the posts above. Have a wonderful life.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I think Luka summed you up best in the posts above. Have a wonderful life.

It's always better without people like you in it.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Regardless, the burden of proof remains on the complainer. Convince the powers that be that it's an actual game issue and it will get fixed. Throw a fit and good luck.

Wolf is 100% right on this, it's absolutely true.

While I did post in the beta thread about this, and do think this is worth checking into, the fact is there hasn't actually been any proof presented in this thread. The post with the link to the player in it doesn't really provide any proof since it only shows what he signed for, not what all his offers were. We do have a lot of online players on the beta team and no one's even brought this up as a potential issue. Which may or may not mean something. It may be an indication that the problem is in fact with the settings of the specific leagues you guys play in. I don't know, I simply mention that for what it's worth.

Even if this is something that is in fact an issue, I suspect there will need to be some more concrete evidence provided before any changes are made. Unless you guys can find a way to provide more conclusive info, nothing's likely to happen with this. Markus usually needs to see some hard data before he makes major changes, which is as it should be.