Home Plate Collisions Eliminated from baseball

Bluenoser · 12-11-2013, 08:45 PM

MLB rules committee votes to end home-plate collisions | MLB.com: News

Thoughts...

Orioles1966 · 12-11-2013, 08:56 PM

Baseball should eliminate 3 hr 45 minute 9 inning baseball games first.

Orioles1966 · 12-11-2013, 08:57 PM

What happens if the throw from the outfield goes into the runner trying to score? Is the catcher not suppose to try to catch the ball?

Skipaway · 12-11-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

What happens if the throw from the outfield goes into the runner trying to score? Is the catcher not suppose to try to catch the ball?

From the article:

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The exact language of the new rule has not been written. The final draft will be approved by the Rules Committee and then submitted for a vote at the next quarterly Owners Meetings in January. Finally, it must be approved by the Major League Baseball Players Association. Mets general manager Sandy Alderson, chairman of the committee, is confident all that can be accomplished before the 2014 season opens.

I think we'll know soon.

Skipaway · 12-11-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

Baseball should eliminate 3 hr 45 minute 9 inning baseball games first.

Easy. Make it a five inning game.

MorseMoose · 12-11-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

MLB rules committee votes to end home-plate collisions | MLB.com: News

Thoughts...

Love the bone-crunching collisions, but happy this rule is being added.

Postman · 12-11-2013, 09:50 PM

And there's the end of one of the truly stupid traditions in sports.

I never thought I'd see the day.

Hooray!

...about six decades late.

Lukas Berger · 12-12-2013, 02:33 AM

Excellent!!!!!! This is already in the rules btw, as the catcher has no more right to block home plate according to the rules of baseball than the 1Bman does first base. But even if this step simply leads to actual enforcement of the rule that's already on the books, that'll be great

Lukas Berger · 12-12-2013, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Postman

And there's the end of one of the truly stupid traditions in sports.

I never thought I'd see the day.

Hooray!

...about six decades late.

Yup. Too late for Ray Fosse, for a year of Buster Posey's prime...

Lukas Berger · 12-12-2013, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

Baseball should eliminate 3 hr 45 minute 9 inning baseball games first.

Absolutely, this too

Jason Moyer · 12-12-2013, 08:47 AM

I'm not really sure why they need a new rule here. Couldn't they just have the umpires actually enforce the interference rule from third to home like they do at the other bases? I realize it's not as bad now as it was in the 70's or 80's, but it's completely against the rules for the catcher to impede the runner's progress to homeplate either by mugging them on the basepath or blocking the plate prior to the ball arriving.

Prior to the 70's there were no issues with homeplate collisions because the umpires enforced the rules already in place that keep these sorts of collisions from happening at the other bases.

Edit: And since someone brought up game length, again, all that's required there is umpires keeping the pace of the game moving. Stop giving hitters timeout after every pitch . If you watch a game from the 60's or 70's, the first thing you'll notice is that the umpires don't let the pitcher/catcher/hitter mess around. After almost every pitch the hitter stays in the box, the catcher shows a sign, and the pitcher throws the ball. It's ridiculous that it's been nearly 50 years since that's been the case.

Erik W. · 12-12-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Edit: And since someone brought up game length, again, all that's required there is umpires keeping the pace of the game moving. Stop giving hitters timeout after every pitch . If you watch a game from the 60's or 70's, the first thing you'll notice is that the umpires don't let the pitcher/catcher/hitter mess around. After almost every pitch the hitter stays in the box, the catcher shows a sign, and the pitcher throws the ball. It's ridiculous that it's been nearly 50 years since that's been the case.

Bingo. If Pedroia or Schumaker can't hit without stepping out and re-velcroing their batting gloves between every pitch they either need to find better fitting gloves or see a sports psychiatrist.

There are some pitchers who share blame, too. The guys they used to call "human rain delays" had a brisk pace compared to some relievers nowadays.

MorseMoose · 12-12-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Bingo. If Pedroia or Schumaker can't hit without stepping out and re-velcroing their batting gloves between every pitch they either need to find better fitting gloves or see a sports psychiatrist.

There are some pitchers who share blame, too. The guys they used to call "human rain delays" had a brisk pace compared to some relievers nowadays.

Start with the TV delays and it'll speed the game up considerably. Go to banners/in-game ads and drop all of the commercials. No extended half-inning break. Give the pitcher a short amount of time to get to the mound, 6 pitches and go. Commercial breaks come after the inning is over, during a pitching change or a review.

Orioles1966 · 12-12-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Easy. Make it a five inning game.

If they banned batting gloves and pitchers rubbing up the baseball after every new ball was put in play it would cut 45 minutes off every game.

CD1083 · 12-12-2013, 11:43 AM

I'm not sure what to think of this either way. On one hand I don't like the idea of players careers damaged beyond repair from one play type. On the other hand, I like the physicality of the play itself. Baseball doesn't have any physical play whatsoever, this single play is the one thing that stands out.

If the catcher doesn't want to get barreled in to, get out of the way! Swipe tags are always possible.

I'm not going to be butt-hurt about the elimination of these happenings, I just think it's just another rule change in sports made for the wrong reasons. Not to make the sport better but to make it what some say safer, but I was never one to consider baseball to be unsafe to begin with.

Orioles1966 · 12-12-2013, 11:52 AM

Matt Weiters is the best when it comes too swipe tags.

It's sorta illegal for the catcher too block the plate and that's the main cause for injuries.

RchW · 12-12-2013, 01:09 PM

Not sure why you can barrel into a SS or 2B but not a catcher. Knee-jerk reaction and poorly thought out.

pstrickert · 12-12-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CD1083

I'm not sure what to think of this either way. On one hand I don't like the idea of players careers damaged beyond repair from one play type. On the other hand, I like the physicality of the play itself. Baseball doesn't have any physical play whatsoever, this single play is the one thing that stands out.

If the catcher doesn't want to get barreled in to, get out of the way! Swipe tags are always possible.

I'm not going to be butt-hurt about the elimination of these happenings, I just think it's just another rule change in sports made for the wrong reasons. Not to make the sport better but to make it what some say safer, but I was never one to consider baseball to be unsafe to begin with.

Yes, if they're concerned about it, catchers can learn to do swipe tags. Besides, I think repeated foul tips off the mask probably do more damage. Has thought been given to catcher's mask improvements?

Postman · 12-12-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Not sure why you can barrel into a SS or 2B but not a catcher.

Because they enforce the rules at second.

Which rule in particular? The rule that states a player can't block a base without the ball.

A simple solution is to award a run anytime a catcher is in the base path without the ball when there's a play at the plate.

That at least would stop catchers from being blindsided.

John Madden · 12-12-2013, 01:55 PM

You can barrel into other infielders? Since when?

12-11-2013, 08:45 PM	#1
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,185	Home Plate Collisions Eliminated from baseball MLB rules committee votes to end home-plate collisions \| MLB.com: News Thoughts...

12-12-2013, 02:33 AM	#8
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,362	Excellent!!!!!! This is already in the rules btw, as the catcher has no more right to block home plate according to the rules of baseball than the 1Bman does first base. But even if this step simply leads to actual enforcement of the rule that's already on the books, that'll be great Last edited by Lukas Berger; 12-12-2013 at 02:38 AM.

12-12-2013, 08:47 AM	#11
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	I'm not really sure why they need a new rule here. Couldn't they just have the umpires actually enforce the interference rule from third to home like they do at the other bases? I realize it's not as bad now as it was in the 70's or 80's, but it's completely against the rules for the catcher to impede the runner's progress to homeplate either by mugging them on the basepath or blocking the plate prior to the ball arriving. Prior to the 70's there were no issues with homeplate collisions because the umpires enforced the rules already in place that keep these sorts of collisions from happening at the other bases. Edit: And since someone brought up game length, again, all that's required there is umpires keeping the pace of the game moving. Stop giving hitters timeout after every pitch . If you watch a game from the 60's or 70's, the first thing you'll notice is that the umpires don't let the pitcher/catcher/hitter mess around. After almost every pitch the hitter stays in the box, the catcher shows a sign, and the pitcher throws the ball. It's ridiculous that it's been nearly 50 years since that's been the case. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech Last edited by Jason Moyer; 12-12-2013 at 08:51 AM.

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RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Not sure why you can barrel into a SS or 2B but not a catcher. Knee-jerk reaction and poorly thought out. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

12-11-2013, 08:56 PM	#2
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	Baseball should eliminate 3 hr 45 minute 9 inning baseball games first.

12-11-2013, 08:57 PM	#3
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	What happens if the throw from the outfield goes into the runner trying to score? Is the catcher not suppose to try to catch the ball?

12-11-2013, 09:50 PM	#7
Postman Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Evergreen, CO Posts: 322	And there's the end of one of the truly stupid traditions in sports. I never thought I'd see the day. Hooray! ...about six decades late.

12-12-2013, 11:43 AM	#15
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	I'm not sure what to think of this either way. On one hand I don't like the idea of players careers damaged beyond repair from one play type. On the other hand, I like the physicality of the play itself. Baseball doesn't have any physical play whatsoever, this single play is the one thing that stands out. If the catcher doesn't want to get barreled in to, get out of the way! Swipe tags are always possible. I'm not going to be butt-hurt about the elimination of these happenings, I just think it's just another rule change in sports made for the wrong reasons. Not to make the sport better but to make it what some say safer, but I was never one to consider baseball to be unsafe to begin with.

12-12-2013, 11:52 AM	#16
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	Matt Weiters is the best when it comes too swipe tags. It's sorta illegal for the catcher too block the plate and that's the main cause for injuries.

12-12-2013, 01:55 PM	#20
John Madden Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 379 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	You can barrel into other infielders? Since when?