Still Don't Understand Scouting

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Here's another possibility (forgive me if it's already been discussed): Is this occurring only with leagues imported from previous versions? Just throwing out ideas.

No, it is with any type of league, whether it was started with the current version or not.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Originally Posted by Centre

Re-reading the mess I wrote, what I was trying to get at is that in my experience over years of gameplay in OOTP 13 and 14, despite having world-class scouts, they are regularly wrong when scouting prospects while OSA has been much more accurate. I know I don't have any evidence to support this outside of stories, but I've found that my world-class scouts always disagree with OSA's top prospects lists, and it's these prospects that I've seen find the most success in the big leagues. I'm not sure what to make of this, and I felt like it might be somewhat connected to this problem, which I why I tacked it on.

Ah, got it. I believe the top prospects report is actually based on actual potential ratings.

[rudoggy]

I love this game, but the scouting aspect has had issues for so many versions that I dont use them anymore. I immediately turn off scouting as it is always flubbed, and turn off coaching as it is way too easy to get HOF coaches and watch the AI ignore them for mediocre choices.

scouting off, problem solved.

[PSUColonel]

not really

[r0nster]

I like the numbering system for scouting and perhaps if your team scouts a player and two days later gives you that report that the stars go away thats what seems to happen when I do that on my ootp14 game

[VanillaGorilla]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Edit: Upon further checking your screenshots, the reason could be that the roster shuffling taking place that day has led to a change of league averages after the original report was filed, since it is a day before season start.

Since I don't work for OOTP, I can make the statement without delicately qualifying it with a 'could', as Marcus did. This is EXACTLY what is going on here.

Let's say that at 12:00:00 AM on March 30th all the scout reports are compiled based on all the data the scouts had as of 11:59:59 PM on March 29th.

At 12:01:00 all the scouting reports are received by all the teams with all the numeric ratings and star ratings that were appropriate at 11:59:59 PM on March 29th. These reports can be seen in the scouting report page of each player until the next scouting routine is executed as it was when it was mailed at 12:00:00 and as it was when it was received at 12:01:00.

At 12:01:01 AM March 30 all of the AI teams review the scouting reports of their players. At 12:01:02 am, ALL of the AI teams make roster moves based on the new scouting evaluations.

These roster moves create a new population of league players which alters the star ratings of your players.

Since it takes you longer than 2 seconds to be notified of the arrival of the new scouting report, open it, and compare the profile page to the scouting page, you see different star ratings at 12:02:00

In the display posted by the OP, the AI teams, in the aggregate, promoted starting pitchers with greater potential, but lesser current skills than Jacob Turner which resulted in the "improvement" in his current star rating and "decline" in his potential star rating.

His ability to to command his stuff, location, or produce movement did not change. The abilities of all other ML SPs did change and, therefore, the star ratings changed.

You may test this by granting human control to all teams and having human control over all roster moves, and then asking for scouting report. Because no AI moves will take place, there will be no discrepancies in the star ratings for any players between the profile pages and the scouting report pages.

Close the ticket.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla

Since I don't work for OOTP, I can make the statement without delicately qualifying it with a 'could', as Marcus did. This is EXACTLY what is going on here.

Let's say that at 12:00:00 AM on March 30th all the scout reports are compiled based on all the data the scouts had as of 11:59:59 PM on March 29th.

At 12:01:00 all the scouting reports are received by all the teams with all the numeric ratings and star ratings that were appropriate at 11:59:59 PM on March 29th. These reports can be seen in the scouting report page of each player until the next scouting routine is executed as it was when it was mailed at 12:00:00 and as it was when it was received at 12:01:00.

At 12:01:01 AM March 30 all of the AI teams review the scouting reports of their players. At 12:01:02 am, ALL of the AI teams make roster moves based on the new scouting evaluations.

These roster moves create a new population of league players which alters the star ratings of your players.

Since it takes you longer than 2 seconds to be notified of the arrival of the new scouting report, open it, and compare the profile page to the scouting page, you see different star ratings at 12:02:00

In the display posted by the OP, the AI teams, in the aggregate, promoted starting pitchers with greater potential, but lesser current skills than Jacob Turner which resulted in the "improvement" in his current star rating and "decline" in his potential star rating.

His ability to to command his stuff, location, or produce movement did not change. The abilities of all other ML SPs did change and, therefore, the star ratings changed.

You may test this by granting human control to all teams and having human control over all roster moves, and then asking for scouting report. Because no AI moves will take place, there will be no discrepancies in the star ratings for any players between the profile pages and the scouting report pages.

Close the ticket.

I don't see how this is true if you are not basing the overall ratings against other players of the same position, and are simply basing the overall rating on ALL players.