Catcher Passed Balls glitch

[Eclipsial]

Hey all, I don't see any previous threads regarding this so i made my own.


It seems almost all of my catchers in the minor leagues have very high PB rates which cause their WAR to be completely off, one of my catchers for example had 402 passed balls in 106 games, that's almost 4 a game, he has a catcher rating of 55.

Almost every minor league catcher has this problem, is there any fix?

[snepp]

Here's a thread that should be relevant.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ason-ever.html

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by snepp

Here's a thread that should be relevant.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ason-ever.html

yeah i got caught trading away a slugging average fielding C, because of the 119 PB by mid July... (did get a no.2 pitcher for him), but then i discovered the bug.... it keeps coming back,,,i reset at 1, and within a few years i creeps up...
had similar problem with W in AA one year. after one week my team had top ERA in league and was above 10.... all scores looked like american football scores

[Lukas Berger]

This can be fixed by fixing the league modifiers. Unfortunately we released the MLB roster set with messed up modifiers for some milb levels Not sure how it happened, but I can pretty certainly assure you that it will not happen next year. It's very, very high on the list of must do things for when we finalize the roster set.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

This can be fixed by fixing the league modifiers. Unfortunately we released the MLB roster set with messed up modifiers for some milb levels Not sure how it happened, but I can pretty certainly assure you that it will not happen next year. It's very, very high on the list of must do things for when we finalize the roster set.

is there a place i could find what i should set them as? they just seem to diverge with time, so i just reset to random numbers around 1, and i look where the team average fits in league before making any calls from now on,,

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by le receveur

is there a place i could find what i should set them as? they just seem to diverge with time, so i just reset to random numbers around 1, and i look where the team average fits in league before making any calls from now on,,

Setting them all to around one should give you something close to a modern MLB environment. It won't be terribly realistic or accurate for the different milb leagues but it'll be much better than the screwed up modifiers that some milb leagues have now. At leas the catchers won't have 150 Pb's a season.

If you really, really want to get things right and are willing to spend an hour or so on it, just dial up the yearly statistical totals for each milb league on Baseball Ref and then input them into the modifiers for their respective leagues.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Setting them all to around one should give you something close to a modern MLB environment. It won't be terribly realistic or accurate for the different milb leagues but it'll be much better than the screwed up modifiers that some milb leagues have now. At leas the catchers won't have 150 Pb's a season.

If you really, really want to get things right and are willing to spend an hour or so on it, just dial up the yearly statistical totals for each milb league on Baseball Ref and then input them into the modifiers for their respective leagues.

thanks. so i should input the modifier (ie Total Real Number/OOTP Total number), not change the OOTP total number? correct?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by le receveur

thanks. so i should input the modifier (ie Total Real Number/OOTP Total number), not change the OOTP total number? correct?

The best thing is to input the correct league totals on the left hand side of the modifiers screen and then hit the auto-calc modifiers button which will turn those totals into the correct modifiers.

Then just adjust the other modifiers that aren't linked to total stats, including passed balls, to 1.00 or so.

That's what I do anyway, seems to work well. Maybe someone else has a better tip on how to figure out the correct level for the non-stat linked modifiers for a given league.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

The best thing is to input the correct league totals on the left hand side of the modifiers screen and then hit the auto-calc modifiers button which will turn those totals into the correct modifiers.

Then just adjust the other modifiers that aren't linked to total stats, including passed balls, to 1.00 or so.

That's what I do anyway, seems to work well. Maybe someone else has a better tip on how to figure out the correct level for the non-stat linked modifiers for a given league.

great. i'll start with GCL make sure it goes fine and proceed from there. thanks for the Help....

so Eric Arce did not really have 177 BP for the Bisons?

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by le receveur

great. i'll start with GCL make sure it goes fine and proceed from there. thanks for the Help....

so Eric Arce did not really have 177 BP for the Bisons?

Nope.
He's an outfielder not a catcher and has never played that position nor has he ever played for the Bisons. In fact, he now plays for the Normal CornBelters of the Independent lg.
He did play 3 games at 1B with the Bluefield BlueJays though in 2012.
Eric Arce Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by Bigrod

Nope.
He's an outfielder not a catcher and has never played that position nor has he ever played for the Bisons. In fact, he now plays for the Normal CornBelters of the Independent lg.
He did play 3 games at 1B with the Bluefield BlueJays though in 2012.
Eric Arce Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

not according to OOTP. he is an all-star catcher, who the bluejays gave up on way too early, not like that bust d'Arnaud who never amounted to much.


btw. Arce was a catcher in HS (Lakeland High School), so i guess OOTP assigned his position from that.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by le receveur

not according to OOTP. he is an all-star catcher, who the bluejays gave up on way too early, not like that bust d'Arnaud who never amounted to much.

btw. Arce was a catcher in HS (Lakeland High School), so i guess OOTP assigned his position from that.

I'm not really entirely sure what you're talking about here. Maybe you can clarify a little for me?

Arce is incorrectly set in the db as a catcher. I think we never ended up updating his position after he was drafted for whatever reason, probably just missed it. I fixed it now, at any rate.

I dunno what you're talking about about him being an all-star. His initial ratings certainly don't give him anything close to all-star potential.

But if you've played a few years into the game, the development engine will have taken over and perhaps he got some very nice boosts from it.

The game doesn't predetermine outcomes for players. Some guys will start with bad ratings and get better and some will start with good ratings and fall off. That's the beauty of the game, the future turns out differently different each time you play it, even if you're starting with the same roster set each time.

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by le receveur

not according to OOTP. he is an all-star catcher, who the bluejays gave up on way too early, not like that bust d'Arnaud who never amounted to much.


btw. Arce was a catcher in HS (Lakeland High School), so i guess OOTP assigned his position from that.

Yep, but not ootp..someone on the roster team set his position as catcher. Which is strange cause he was drafted as a 1B.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Bigrod

Yep, but not ootp..someone on the roster team set his position as catcher. Which is strange cause he was drafted as a 1B.

Looking at the history in the editor now, as you may be too, it seems that it wasn't anyone on the roster team. Rather one of the times Andreas ran his algorithms, for some reason it assigned Arce ratings and experience at catcher I have no idea why that would happen. It's very, very odd

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I dunno what you're talking about about him being an all-star. His initial ratings certainly don't give him anything close to all-star potential.

But if you've played a few years into the game, the development engine will have taken over and perhaps he got some very nice boosts from it.

The game doesn't predetermine outcomes for players. Some guys will start with bad ratings and get better and some will start with good ratings and fall off. That's the beauty of the game, the future turns out differently different each time you play it, even if you're starting with the same roster set each time.

i understand that, it was just funny when i saw his results by 2017 he was a 7 WAR catcher on the Astros (see they do some stuff correctly).

in all fairness, the Jays were talking of maybe trying again with him at C last winter, so there is some logic to the position. and then he was released a month into the season, which was a bit of a surprise....

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by le receveur

i understand that, it was just funny when i saw his results by 2017 he was a 7 WAR catcher on the Astros (see they do some stuff correctly).

in all fairness, the Jays were talking of maybe trying again with him at C last winter, so there is some logic to the position. and then he was released a month into the season, which was a bit of a surprise....

Ah, ok. Gotcha

[Gneilos]

First, sorry to ask a new question in an old thread.

I also had this passed ball, primarily in the International League(my average defensive AAA catcher on pace for 500+ passed balls.) At the same time this glitch was happening I promoted 3 top 100 prospect pitchers to AAA, and only one developed at all, ( but he posted an era over 10.00 in the majors). So my question is in an environment where passed balls are more an expectation than an anomaly, leading to pitchers with ERA's well over 6.00 having an ERA+ right around 100, will pitchers development be adversely effected, or was this lack of development just normal since pitchers bust all the time?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Gneilos

First, sorry to ask a new question in an old thread.

I also had this passed ball, primarily in the International League(my average defensive AAA catcher on pace for 500+ passed balls.) At the same time this glitch was happening I promoted 3 top 100 prospect pitchers to AAA, and only one developed at all, ( but he posted an era over 10.00 in the majors). So my question is in an environment where passed balls are more an expectation than an anomaly, leading to pitchers with ERA's well over 6.00 having an ERA+ right around 100, will pitchers development be adversely effected, or was this lack of development just normal since pitchers bust all the time?

The league modifiers (which are in fact the culprit here) have nothing to do with development, only with statistical output on a league wide basis. So your players development will not be adversely affected, their stats will just look really weird.

It's honestly just a cosmetic issue albeit a ridiculous and annoying cosmetic issue.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

The league modifiers (which are in fact the culprit here) have nothing to do with development, only with statistical output on a league wide basis. So your players development will not be adversely affected, their stats will just look really weird.

It's honestly just a cosmetic issue albeit a ridiculous and annoying cosmetic issue.

not sure if only cosmetic when you don't know about it... i did trade away a viable catcher because of the negative WAR from his Defense.

[Gneilos]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

The league modifiers (which are in fact the culprit here) have nothing to do with development, only with statistical output on a league wide basis. So your players development will not be adversely affected, their stats will just look really weird.

It's honestly just a cosmetic issue albeit a ridiculous and annoying cosmetic issue.

Thanks.

In fact after one full season in the majors all three prospects appear to be coming around, at least a little. I'd be shocked if any became an ace, but at the very least the back end of my rotation seems set for the next few years. The best of the trio could be a solid #2 starter, or a #1 in a weak rotation.