Default Player Origin: Maybe Not Working?

[chucksabr]

In my English league, which originally started out with 100% English players, I am trying to seed in free agents into my player pool by upping the percent of foreign countries in default origin as years go by. I am not seeing any come through yet, so I wanted to test it to see whether it was even working.

I made a copy of my league and changed the default player origin in one division to 100% Scotland, and in the other division to 100% Argentina. I then ran the league for a couple of years on autopilot to see whether I was getting what I wanted.

Bottom line: I am getting several of new free agents from Scotland and Argentina, but not anything like 100%. Of the 28 free agents the game created in the second year of this dry run, only five were from Argentina and 23 were from England. In the other division, of 30 new free agents created, only 12 were from Scotland, and the other 18 from England. And this was after I set England for 0% on both divisions.

By setting the default country of origin to 100% each country, I expected 100% of new players to come from the country I designated. Might anyone know why this isn't happening?

[Bluenoser]

Not sure what you're trying to do since it's impossible to assign player nationality percentages to a division.

When you set those percentages, they affect that league, not just 1 division.

[chucksabr]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not sure what you're trying to do since it's impossible to assign player nationality percentages to a division.

When you set those percentages, they affect that league, not just 1 division.

Let me rephrase the question, then.

In my English leagues, which originally started out with 100% English players, I am trying to seed in free agents into my player pool by upping the percent of foreign countries in default origin as years go by. I am not seeing any come through yet, so I wanted to test it to see whether it was even working.

I made a copy of my leagues and changed the default player origin in one league to 100% Scotland, and in the other league to 100% Argentina. I then ran both leagues for a couple of years on autopilot to see whether I was getting what I wanted.

Bottom line: I am getting several of new free agents from Scotland and Argentina, but not anything like 100%. In one league, of the 28 free agents the game created in the second year of this dry run, only five were from Argentina and 23 were from England. In the other league, of 30 new free agents created, only 12 were from Scotland, and the other 18 from England. And this was after I set England for 0% on both leagues.

By setting the default country of origin to 100% each country, I expected 100% of new players to come from the country I designated. Might anyone know why this isn't happening?

[injury log]

Is the Random% set to 0? And are you sure you're adjusting the correct set of origin percentages (there are four separate settings controlling different types of players)?

[chucksabr]

Originally Posted by injury log

Is the Random% set to 0? And are you sure you're adjusting the correct set of origin percentages (there are four separate settings controlling different types of players)?

Good questions. Below is the setting I have for one of my leagues. Anything else should I be looking at?

[injury log]

Originally Posted by chucksabr

Good questions. Below is the setting I have for one of my leagues. Anything else should I be looking at?

What I don't understand from your posts is where these free agents are coming from. If they're established international FAs, the ones you get a news message about at the start of the offseason, you need to specifically edit the %s for that type of player. If they're FAs generated because you have no amateur draft, then it's possible the game is using the %s for the draft pool to determine player origins. So if you're just editing the %s at the top of the screen, the 'default player origin' or whatever it's called, that might not be controlling your FA generation at all.

[chucksabr]

I really appreciate you're trying to help me with this.

Honest question: does it matter where the free agents come from? Regardless of where they're coming from, they are still being created out of thin air, or some kind of air, roughly 25 to 30 in each league each year.

My league is not like most leagues. On my rules pages, you see I allow limitless reserve roster sizes, limitless foreign players, no player trades and no amateur drafts:



On my financials page, I've enabled the reserve-clause rules:



On my options page, I have no international amateur free agents, no international scouting, and no free agents from independent leagues:



In any case, the bottom line is that I have asked the game to have 100% of players originating from Scotland in one league and instead only 12 come from there with the other 18 coming from England; and 100% originating in Argentina in the other, and instead, only five came from there and the other 23 came from England. Any idea why that might be happening?

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by chucksabr

I really appreciate you're trying to help me with this.

Honest question: does it matter where the free agents come from? Regardless of where they're coming from, they are still being created out of thin air, or some kind of air, roughly 25 to 30 in each league each year.

My league is not like most leagues. On my rules pages, you see I allow limitless reserve roster sizes, limitless foreign players, no player trades and no amateur drafts:

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On my financials page, I've enabled the reserve-clause rules:

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On my options page, I have no international amateur free agents, no international scouting, and no free agents from independent leagues:

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In any case, the bottom line is that I have asked the game to have 100% of players originating from Scotland in one league and instead only 12 come from there with the other 18 coming from England; and 100% originating in Argentina in the other, and instead, only five came from there and the other 23 came from England. Any idea why that might be happening?

If the default player origin Pct. was set to 100% Scotland then the only flag appearing in that row of flags would be Scotland's........

[Questdog]

Okay.....I figured this out......

In the pre-season, you need to enable the amateur draft and set the origin percentage THERE the way you want (as well as in the default origin pct.) After you have them set, you can disable the draft again.

When the free agents are created on the 1st day after the playoffs are over, you should see them created as you specified.

For these special free agents, they game uses both the amateur draft settings and the default settings together.

[chucksabr]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Okay.....I figured this out......

In the pre-season, you need to enable the amateur draft and set the origin percentage THERE the way you want (as well as in the default origin pct.) After you have them set, you can disable the draft again.

When the free agents are created on the 1st day after the playoffs are over, you should see them created as you specified.

For these special free agents, they game uses both the amateur draft settings and the default settings together.

OK, I will give that a try. BTW, does this mean that every time I change the player origin--and I will be doing that something like 75 times in the next 125 seasons--I have to go through the process you just described?

[Bluenoser]

You want international FA's, but the problem is, you're not generating any international free agents.

Look down your list of options below player creation.

If you want amateurs, select the percentage, you will be given an option for countries they will come from.

If you want established, then select that option. Again, you will be given an option for which countries.

Or, you can select both options.

No need to enable and disable the ammy draft.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

You want international FA's, but the problem is, you're not generating any international free agents.

Look down your list of options below player creation.

If you want amateurs, select the percentage, you will be given an option for countries they will come from.

If you want established, then select that option. Again, you will be given an option for which countries.

Or, you can select both options.

No need to enable and disable the ammy draft.

No offense, but you're really missing the point here. He doesn't want international FAs. He wants the players that are randomly generated every season (due to the lack of a draft) to be from a certain % of nationalities. He's already done what you propose here, and they aren't equaling the % that he sets it to. Questdog's solution sounds right to me.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by chucksabr

OK, I will give that a try. BTW, does this mean that every time I change the player origin--and I will be doing that something like 75 times in the next 125 seasons--I have to go through the process you just described?

Yes.....if you are wanting the default players the game generates in lieu of the amateur draft to be coming from where you want.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

No offense, but you're really missing the point here. He doesn't want international FAs. He wants the players that are randomly generated every season (due to the lack of a draft) to be from a certain % of nationalities. He's already done what you propose here, and they aren't equaling the % that he sets it to. Questdog's solution sounds right to me.

I tested this before I offered it up....it works.....you have the Questdog guarantee.....

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Yes.....if you are wanting the default players the game generates in lieu of the amateur draft to be coming from where you want.

Actually... I think he might be able to avoid going through all that.

Chuck, if you feel the need to specify the EXACT percentage of nationalities in your league, then yes, you'll have to do that every year. But if you're okay with an APPROXIMATE percentage, you can leave the draft origin settings at 100% English, and then over-weight the other countries you want in the default origin settings. If what 'Dog says is true, and the game's using a combination of both settings, that should (I stress "should") get the nationalities approximately where you want them to be. Really up to how much control over the nationalities you want to have.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

No offense, but you're really missing the point here. He doesn't want international FAs. He wants the players that are randomly generated every season (due to the lack of a draft) to be from a certain % of nationalities. He's already done what you propose here, and they aren't equaling the % that he sets it to. Questdog's solution sounds right to me.

Excuse me, but he clearly said he wants FA's from other nationalities. That's what international FA's are, players from other countries which is what he wants.

His settings are set to none for those, as per the image he posted. He can choose to have amateurs, which will be newly generated, or experienced, which is self explanatory.

It is not me who is missing the point.

He doesn't need to do anything with a draft to accomplish that.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Excuse me, but he clearly said he wants FA's from other nationalities. That's what international FA's are, players from other countries which is what he wants.

His settings are set to none for those, as per the image he posted. He can choose to have amateurs, which will be newly generated, or experienced, which is self explanatory.

It is not me who is missing the point.

Thing is, we're not talking about that setting at all. We're talking about the default player origin settings not taking effect properly. I suppose that, yes, he could turn on International FAs as a workaround. Hadn't thought of it that way. But we're really not trying to offer him a workaround, we're trying to figure out why his player origin settings aren't correct - and I think Questdog nailed it with the amateur draft settings.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Actually... I think he might be able to avoid going through all that.

Chuck, if you feel the need to specify the EXACT percentage of nationalities in your league, then yes, you'll have to do that every year. But if you're okay with an APPROXIMATE percentage, you can leave the draft origin settings at 100% English, and then over-weight the other countries you want in the default origin settings. If what 'Dog says is true, and the game's using a combination of both settings, that should (I stress "should") get the nationalities approximately where you want them to be. Really up to how much control over the nationalities you want to have.

He wanted them 100% Scottish....kind of hard to 'over-weight' 100%......

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Questdog

He wanted them 100% Scottish....kind of hard to 'over-weight' 100%......

That was his test league. I believe for his actual league, he wants a slow influx of international players.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

That was his test league. I believe for his actual league, he wants a slow influx of international players.

Ah, then it may be possible. But probably take longer to figure out the correct percentages than to just go ahead and set them twice.

I am not sure if this is a bug or as designed. And I am not sure if the two lists are weighted the same from season to season. You would have to experiment to figure that out.

But it doesn't take much effort to just set them twice.

I have been bugging the powers that be since these percentages were introduced to give us a text file from which they can be imported. I made some headway, but not enough to get it included in this version. But hopefully for OOTP15.

I run several independent leagues in my solo dynasty and setting two of these for each league with 30 countries in the list can be a pain in the rumpus......