Performance v talent

BaseballAddict32 · 10-20-2013, 12:50 PM

Let me start by saying I know even in real life talent does not always indicate performance. However I did a "fantasy" draft to begin my league and ended up drafting a rather stacked to the point of ridiculously talented line up. But guys like Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols and Dustin Pedroia, to name a few all seem to be living below the Mendoza line. Does this happen often in 14? It seems unlikely that a line up that 1-7 lacks a weak spot and that has so much power would be near the bottom in runs and HRs for an extended part of the season.

mrking81012 · 10-20-2013, 01:02 PM

It could be any number of things but I've found that some players have preferred spots in the lineup. So sometimes loading up on power sounds great, but players don't like being put in the lower third of the lineup, if a roster is stacked. They can actually perform worse. It's better to have a more balanced lineup with stars and average players.

You can view how good your players are in different spots in the lineup if you click on a player go to batting splits and scroll down.

olivertheorem · 10-20-2013, 02:00 PM

Define "extended part of the season." Could just be a collectively slow start or slump. I really hope this is what's happening in the current season in my Astros game (not nearly so stacked, but NOBODY is hitting of note).

Not to mention, the game doesn't know it's "Miguel Cabrera". The game just knows it's a collection of numbers with the entry "Miguel Cabrera" in the Name field.

BaseballAddict32 · 10-20-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Define "extended part of the season." Could just be a collectively slow start or slump. I really hope this is what's happening in the current season in my Astros game (not nearly so stacked, but NOBODY is hitting of note).

Not to mention, the game doesn't know it's "Miguel Cabrera". The game just knows it's a collection of numbers with the entry "Miguel Cabrera" in the Name field.

2.5 months. I know the game doesn't know who the guy is by the way. But his ratings are all very generous which suggests production. Have him hitting 3rd and 4th and he does nothing. Some guys do better in different spots, I've tried juggling the line up. Others hit poorly regardly. Just curious on feedback. I'll review their line up preferences. Thanks for the suggestion Mr King.

The Game · 10-20-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballAddict32

2.5 months. I know the game doesn't know who the guy is by the way. But his ratings are all very generous which suggests production. Have him hitting 3rd and 4th and he does nothing. Some guys do better in different spots, I've tried juggling the line up. Others hit poorly regardly. Just curious on feedback. I'll review their line up preferences. Thanks for the suggestion Mr King.

What is the league setup? I had a 8/10/9 guy hit .304 36 HR 112 RBI. (1985 strategy) Are you playing out all your games or are you simming? Players tend to do better when you sim. Coaches on? how good or bad are your MGR & HC. What is the scouting at? Could they just suck? Miggy has never lived up to his RL in OOTP from what I have seen, neither has Pedoria.

RchW · 10-20-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

What is the league setup? I had a 8/10/9 guy hit .304 36 HR 112 RBI. (1985 strategy) Are you playing out all your games or are you simming? Players tend to do better when you sim. Coaches on? how good or bad are your MGR & HC. What is the scouting at? Could they just suck? Miggy has never lived up to his RL in OOTP from what I have seen, neither has Pedoria.

I think Pedroia is a real tough guy to rate accurately in OOTP. He is one of those rare players IRL who genuinely seems to perform better than his apparent skills. To have him perform like RL his ratings may have to be higher than expected. I wonder if personality attributes have enough effect? He should have max value on every positive attribute. I would not be against a hidden but adjustable performance attribute for certain players if personality attributes don't do enough.

Miggy and other high number guys may be victims of OOTP's statistical distribution being broader than real life. Home runs, doubles, stolen bases even BA are good across the league but the differences between average good and bad not big enough (bell curve?).

Just some thoughts.

pgjocki · 10-20-2013, 06:28 PM

If you look at the numbers in the league options it list the number of homeruns, etc that will be hit during the season, and as other people have noted, the game uses math to balance out the results. This balancing act may alter the stats so they differ from real life, which could help explain your results.

Additionally, when you compare the league numbers against the historical average how do they fare? If you are within 1% of the norm then you just got an unlucky roll of the dice.

BaseballAddict32 · 10-20-2013, 06:36 PM

thank you for the feedback guys. i appreciate it. had not considered the math of the league stats as a factor. it makes a lot of sense. i basically considered my team and not how the computer would decide such a thing.

10-20-2013, 12:50 PM	#1
BaseballAddict32 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 59	Performance v talent Let me start by saying I know even in real life talent does not always indicate performance. However I did a "fantasy" draft to begin my league and ended up drafting a rather stacked to the point of ridiculously talented line up. But guys like Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols and Dustin Pedroia, to name a few all seem to be living below the Mendoza line. Does this happen often in 14? It seems unlikely that a line up that 1-7 lacks a weak spot and that has so much power would be near the bottom in runs and HRs for an extended part of the season.

10-20-2013, 06:28 PM	#7
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	If you look at the numbers in the league options it list the number of homeruns, etc that will be hit during the season, and as other people have noted, the game uses math to balance out the results. This balancing act may alter the stats so they differ from real life, which could help explain your results. Additionally, when you compare the league numbers against the historical average how do they fare? If you are within 1% of the norm then you just got an unlucky roll of the dice. __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

10-20-2013, 01:02 PM	#2
mrking81012 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 68	It could be any number of things but I've found that some players have preferred spots in the lineup. So sometimes loading up on power sounds great, but players don't like being put in the lower third of the lineup, if a roster is stacked. They can actually perform worse. It's better to have a more balanced lineup with stars and average players. You can view how good your players are in different spots in the lineup if you click on a player go to batting splits and scroll down.

10-20-2013, 02:00 PM	#3
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Define "extended part of the season." Could just be a collectively slow start or slump. I really hope this is what's happening in the current season in my Astros game (not nearly so stacked, but NOBODY is hitting of note). Not to mention, the game doesn't know it's "Miguel Cabrera". The game just knows it's a collection of numbers with the entry "Miguel Cabrera" in the Name field.

10-20-2013, 06:36 PM	#8
BaseballAddict32 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 59	thank you for the feedback guys. i appreciate it. had not considered the math of the league stats as a factor. it makes a lot of sense. i basically considered my team and not how the computer would decide such a thing.