False advertising...

[traveler99]

one of among other things that hit my eye in the game page in front...

- FHM also features the FaceGen engine, which offers realistic portraits for all your players. Their faces change as they age and as their moods change, and their jerseys change when they switch teams

2 months past release and no sign of it, developers care to comment?

- FHM's easy-to-use interface will help you quickly begin running your team, starting with the Manager Home Screen, which alerts you to important tasks, upcoming games, news items, injury reports, and more.

Anyone else found it hard to use? when i played it i did find it kind of hard to use, certainly nowhere near Easy-to-use...

- Tactics screen allows you to change your strategies if something doesn't seem to be working.

Tactics work already? i remember before they where not working...

- We're the company who created the best-selling, long-running Out of the Park Baseball series, so we understand sports sims. FHM leverages everything we've learned from OOTP's development to deliver the most realistic hockey experience available. You'll find realistic statistical output coupled with in-game AI that delivers the perfect armchair GM challenge.

In addition, players develop and age realistically, with believable career curves that still offer unpredictable moments.

What did i miss? Most realistic, good AI, players develop and age :P

- Franchise Hockey Manager (FHM) is the richest hockey management game in the world. A truly global game, FHM features NHL, AHL, OHL, WHL, Liiga, EIHL, KHL, SHL, and many more leagues, with hundreds of real teams and thousands of realistically rated real players included.

is this legal to advertize things that no license exists officially?

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The most complete Hockey Game ever

Franchise Hockey Manager ("FHM") is the deepest, most immersive, and most customizable hockey management game in the world


it truly brings in mind the famous Gearbox Software coup with false demos, screens and crap they used to sell the Aliens game. 2 months past release and the game is not even fully enjoyable to play sure it turns on boots up but ...oh yeah, no game demo either yet so you could try it before buy it, now why is that? Scouting did not work either after the big patch does it work now? I'm sure this gets flamed and whatnot but think about those words posted there as there is a seed of truth in them, makes you think eh...i post this in another forums also just in case this would get censored here

[dave1927p]

On an unrelated subject, anyone want to join my class action lawsuit against Disneyland? There is no way it's the "happiest place on earth". I feel so cheated and violated.

[tward13]

OH LOOK another rant.

[tomwolf2008]

Originally Posted by traveler99

it truly brings in mind the famous Gearbox Software coup with false demos, screens and crap they used to sell the Aliens game. 2 months past release and the game is not even fully enjoyable to play sure it turns on boots up but ...oh yeah, no game demo either yet so you could try it before buy it, now why is that? Scouting did not work either after the big patch does it work now? I'm sure this gets flamed and whatnot but think about those words posted there as there is a seed of truth in them, makes you think eh...i post this in another forums also just in case this would get censored here

Now, there is a difference between a bug and a false advertising. The tactic doesn't work the way they should is a bug, the scout doesn't working is a bug,or the numerous crashes (although I see you are not complaining about these), and the development team are trying hard to fix them.

(Facegen, however, is a legitmate complain, I'll give you that)

Whether the UI is easy to use is up to personal opinion, I find it not hard to use (although I also understand a lot of people do find UI hard to use).

and yes, it is legal to advertise what league was cotnained in your game, league names are in the Public Domain.

But I really have a problem with your last paragraph. OOTP/FHM developement did not use "false demos, screens, or Crap", the screenshots they take on the game is in the game right now. About demos...I don't think FHM ever said there is going to be Demo did they? At least not with the official release.

[Habsfan18]

Originally Posted by tward13

OH LOOK another rant.

People have every right to voice their displeasure with a product.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

People have every right to voice their displeasure with a product.

Yes they do, and we have every right to ridicule those people mercilessly

[dejaqwho]

Originally Posted by tward13

OH LOOK another rant.

O look an army of shills defending thin air.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by dejaqwho

O look an army of shills defending thin air.

Please point out where anyone has posted anything in defense of the game over the comments with "oh look another rant" and the last one. Maybe I'm blind but I just don't see that in there

[lorreporre]

Please read this thread, http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3588610
you'll discover a new world filled with grown up people who discuss in a constructive way about the game we all hoped for (an for the majority of us still hope will be a great game ..)
i'm sick of discussions like the one above, with haters on one side and fanboyz on the other ....

Btw this game is a huge disapointment to me also as basic features doesn't work properly, but hey i will still support it but i won't be playing it untill those basics are fixed ...

[bsimons77]

Originally Posted by lorreporre

Please read this thread, http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3588610
you'll discover a new world filled with grown up people who discuss in a constructive way about the game we all hoped for (an for the majority of us still hope will be a great game ..)
i'm sick of discussions like the one above, with haters on one side and fanboyz on the other ....

Btw this game is a huge disapointment to me also as basic features doesn't work properly, but hey i will still support it but i won't be playing it untill those basics are fixed ...

I agree. I love what the game could, and hopefully will become. Right now however its more aggravating then enjoyable. The gameplay in both the current season and historical modes arent close to being realistic. Hopefully it will evolve, but for now its just not worth playing, to me.

[The Game]

Why give a hard time to the many who hate this game & believe it is nearly unplayable? OOTP fixes the majority of its issues fairly quickly. Sure OOTP has its fair share of issues from time to time but the good outweighs the bad. It seems that with FHM the bad outweighs the good. I was hoping to buy FHM and start playing it even if it was just a Blackhawks Historical Franchise vs a fictional league. Hopefully V2 will be better.

[mrbadguy]

Im willing to wait and see if all the little things that I wanted gets patched. I am a bit dissapointed that so many little things are not working right. Seems everytime I go to a new section, I find a bug. (ie historic stats?, Free agency, not being to drop guys midseason to clear room, etc).

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by tomwolf2008

Now, there is a difference between a bug and a false advertising. The tactic doesn't work the way they should is a bug, the scout doesn't working is a bug,or the numerous crashes (although I see you are not complaining about these), and the development team are trying hard to fix them.

(Facegen, however, is a legitmate complain, I'll give you that)

Whether the UI is easy to use is up to personal opinion, I find it not hard to use (although I also understand a lot of people do find UI hard to use).

and yes, it is legal to advertise what league was cotnained in your game, league names are in the Public Domain.

But I really have a problem with your last paragraph. OOTP/FHM developement did not use "false demos, screens, or Crap", the screenshots they take on the game is in the game right now. About demos...I don't think FHM ever said there is going to be Demo did they? At least not with the official release.

nobody cares if its a bug, 2 months past release and it dont work its FALSE advertising...it never crash on me but i know games as they can crash on some people not necessary mean crash with everyone (Usually hardware compatibility issue)

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by The Game

Why give a hard time to the many who hate this game & believe it is nearly unplayable? OOTP fixes the majority of its issues fairly quickly. Sure OOTP has its fair share of issues from time to time but the good outweighs the bad. It seems that with FHM the bad outweighs the good. I was hoping to buy FHM and start playing it even if it was just a Blackhawks Historical Franchise vs a fictional league. Hopefully V2 will be better.

It's unfortunately starting to look more that before Version 3 no need to look back at this game, most likely Version 4 is next one i will be buying if this still is alive...so many things not working or missing and they have to start to work at V2 soon (their announcement was alarming also, now after this last patch they concentrate on "adding" the missing features without even trying to fix the core which is not working...not good and also was mentioned Sebastian (their lead coder) has moved to their other project IOOTP...they dont have people regularly working on this, feel like they build up couple months of work or things to do and then they drop half of them and try to work on within their time straints, its not getting the time and dedication this game deserves, its like under work on half speed at all times, things no progress very good like this, its like its done so they can have their "extra cashcow" not because they love to do it and concentrate on it fully. That is my 5 cents on this issue. The Paid "Free" Beta was alarming also, felt like it was their kickstarter for this game to collect money and go forward and no Demo after 2 months of release, Seriously?!? who does that? lot of people if they could have tried this most likely would not had bought it, i guess that is the intention for it...

[drewst18]

Originally Posted by traveler99

It's unfortunately starting to look more that before Version 3 no need to look back at this game, most likely Version 4 is next one i will be buying if this still is alive...so many things not working or missing and they have to start to work at V2 soon (their announcement was alarming also, now after this last patch they concentrate on "adding" the missing features without even trying to fix the core which is not working...not good and also was mentioned Sebastian (their lead coder) has moved to their other project IOOTP...they dont have people regularly working on this, feel like they build up couple months of work or things to do and then they drop half of them and try to work on within their time straints, its not getting the time and dedication this game deserves, its like under work on half speed at all times, things no progress very good like this, its like its done so they can have their "extra cashcow" not because they love to do it and concentrate on it fully. That is my 5 cents on this issue. The Paid "Free" Beta was alarming also, felt like it was their kickstarter for this game to collect money and go forward and no Demo after 2 months of release, Seriously?!? who does that? lot of people if they could have tried this most likely would not had bought it, i guess that is the intention for it...

If I give you your money back will you go away and I'll drop you an email when someone makes a perfect hockey sim that fits your liking?

On a more alarming note is the state of the game, the boards are practically dead aside from these "types" of threads either good job keep it up or the game is unplayable"

I'd like to know what percentage of people on the boards are still playing the game and what is being worked on.

I know many won't like my opinion on the matter but I think they need to do a press release that opens up a limited 7 day refund period and announce we are putting a hold on development of historic and custom mode and if you would like you can get a refund as this may have been a selling point to you.

But these two modes tend to cause the greatest backlash for the game and need the most work.

Then what they need to do is take present day Hockey and make the game fun. Integrate hockey tactics, improve the AI and improve the GUI.

Once you have these things you can reintegrate historical play using the improvements and at this time you can turn focus to historical/custom leagues as the NHL will need a lot less work.

Version 2 needs to be a fun, fully functional (historic/custom/real time) game that adds online capability. At this point that is all I am looking for from version 2. With this development plan most of the above will be patched into v1 which would mean the biggest changes for V2 will be database and online play which should make for a relatively short development window.

My main concern isn't this crap that traveller posts every day its that the game while working fine just isn't fun enough to play for me.

[tward13]

Originally Posted by lorreporre

Please read this thread, http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3588610
you'll discover a new world filled with grown up people who discuss in a constructive way about the game we all hoped for (an for the majority of us still hope will be a great game ..)
i'm sick of discussions like the one above, with haters on one side and fanboyz on the other ....

Btw this game is a huge disapointment to me also as basic features doesn't work properly, but hey i will still support it but i won't be playing it untill those basics are fixed ...

I'm hardly a fan boy. I've stated previously that I'm not playing the game until it works the way i'd like. On the other hand I'm not here every day ranting at the developers and making absurd claims.

If someone isn't posting game play issues in the proper place (bug thread) and making constructive suggestions then they're no more than trolls.

[silvam14]

The major mistake the team made was trying to include historical and fictional in its first iteration. Talk about biting off more than you can chew.

You can't as a team use the "we are a small development team" excuse, and then try to build a game that is all things to all people. It took Markus years to build OOTP to where it is. I think expectations should have been lowered to a current day game with limited bells and whistles, but at least relatively bug free and good ai. That would have been a good start.

I'm not pissed about the game. Yeah, I'd like to be playing it right now, but I just hope it gets better soon.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

The only thing in your list that is true is the FaceGen thing. I have no idea who added it as I don't write the PR and I don't manage the webpage. I always wrote that we "try to add FaceGen to the game but time and money (using FaceGen is very expensive) might be a problem". The rest of your list is personal taste. Scouting works as expected, maybe you don't like it. The GUI works as intended, maybe you don't like it.

The game had many problems (bugs/crashes) when released, we admitted it (and said sorry many, many times), worked hard and after patch #2 it should be playable as intended. We are now in a state were we look to a) enable the options, that were disabled at release (in the options) and b) improve the game to be more fun. I talk to many people who try to give us feedback on the game because they want the same as us.

@ traveler99:
Now a personal note from me to you (not talking for the FHM/OOTP team): you hate FHM, I get that. The game is bad, the developers are bad, the PR is bad, the communication is bad. For some reason you did not get the game refunded so here is the deal: I will give you a full refund for the game (even if the time period is over). You don't have to waste any more time for a ****ty game and can use that time for a better (hockey) manager game and you don't lose any money. I don't have to read your bitching anymore and concentrate on people who want to make the game more fun. As I see it, it is a Win-Win situation for both of us. Deal?

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by silvam14

The major mistake the team made was trying to include historical and fictional in its first iteration. Talk about biting off more than you can chew.

You can't as a team use the "we are a small development team" excuse, and then try to build a game that is all things to all people. It took Markus years to build OOTP to where it is. I think expectations should have been lowered to a current day game with limited bells and whistles, but at least relatively bug free and good ai. That would have been a good start.

I'm not pissed about the game. Yeah, I'd like to be playing it right now, but I just hope it gets better soon.

You are absolutely right and I would never ever do it again that way. But if you read what people expect from a version 1 you get a lot of pressure. That is no excuse for doing that error (we did the decision), just an explanation why we did it.

We learned the lesson the hard way but we learned it and will handle if differently in the future.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

The only thing in your list that is true is the FaceGen thing. I have no idea who added it as I don't write the PR and I don't manage the webpage. I always wrote that we "try to add FaceGen to the game but time and money (using FaceGen is very expensive) might be a problem". The rest of your list is personal taste. Scouting works as expected, maybe you don't like it. The GUI works as intended, maybe you don't like it.

The game had many problems (bugs/crashes) when released, we admitted it (and said sorry many, many times), worked hard and after patch #2 it should be playable as intended. We are now in a state were we look to a) enable the options, that were disabled at release (in the options) and b) improve the game to be more fun. I talk to many people who try to give us feedback on the game because they want the same as us.

@ traveler99:
Now a personal note from me to you (not talking for the FHM/OOTP team): you hate FHM, I get that. The game is bad, the developers are bad, the PR is bad, the communication is bad. For some reason you did not get the game refunded so here is the deal: I will give you a full refund for the game (even if the time period is over). You don't have to waste any more time for a ****ty game and can use that time for a better (hockey) manager game and you don't lose any money. I don't have to read your bitching anymore and concentrate on people who want to make the game more fun. As I see it, it is a Win-Win situation for both of us. Deal?

I'll put a few bucks towards that.