Having trouble importing Gambo's roster

[Jello]

I have previously started several games beginning in 1976 using Gambo's roster set. Playing with the Braves, the roster was very complete with guys like Larry McWilliams, the Mahler brothers (even some guy named Jim Breazeale). There would be 59 pages of free agents on Jan 1st each time.

Now, I can't seem to get that roster set to import. I've tried everything. I guided the game to it the way I'd always done it but when I got to the game there was a different roster. No Mahlers, no McWilliams, no Breazeale. Not nearly as large a roster, no free agents. I'm pretty sure it's the default game roster set. There's nobody in the league who debuts later than 1976.

First I removed the stats file and replaced it with the folder I have for gambo's rosters (renamed it stats). Same result. I uninstalled and re-installed the game (erased all files). Replaced the stat file before I even entered the licensing key again. Same result. I've tried to guide it by using the master.csv and the historical odb in gambo's set. Same results. I redownloaded Gambo's file, and created a new folder. Rinse, repeat. Same results.

Another weird thing is that it appears to be using gambo's draft pool. I simmed to post 1976 draft and it has Tim Raines and a bunch of other guys who don't debut until many years later.

Does anybody know what I need to do to get this roster file to work right for me again?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Jello

I have previously started several games beginning in 1976 using Gambo's roster set. Playing with the Braves, the roster was very complete with guys like Larry McWilliams, the Mahler brothers (even some guy named Jim Breazeale). There would be 59 pages of free agents on Jan 1st each time.

Now, I can't seem to get that roster set to import. I've tried everything. I guided the game to it the way I'd always done it but when I got to the game there was a different roster. No Mahlers, no McWilliams, no Breazeale. Not nearly as large a roster, no free agents. I'm pretty sure it's the default game roster set. There's nobody in the league who debuts later than 1976.

First I removed the stats file and replaced it with the folder I have for gambo's rosters (renamed it stats). Same result. I uninstalled and re-installed the game (erased all files). Replaced the stat file before I even entered the licensing key again. Same result. I've tried to guide it by using the master.csv and the historical odb in gambo's set. Same results. I redownloaded Gambo's file, and created a new folder. Rinse, repeat. Same results.

Another weird thing is that it appears to be using gambo's draft pool. I simmed to post 1976 draft and it has Tim Raines and a bunch of other guys who don't debut until many years later.

Does anybody know what I need to do to get this roster file to work right for me again?

I've had my own set of issues with Gambo's DB myself but that doesn't explain why none of the players are coming in.
You said you replaced the default stats folder with Gambo's DB?
Does your stats folder now look like my SS. This is Gambo's DB I keep it separate. 2nd SS is default.

Do you use neutralized stats when you import? Not sure if this matters as I continue to get conflicting reports from Spritze and Gambo.

Try PMing/emailing Gambo or Spritze as they can answer this far better then I can.

[Jello]

No my database doesn't have nearly that many files. I think I figured it out (with your help). I was trying to import using real stats. It won't import on my game with this option. I switched back to neutralized and...presto.

The reason I was going to start over was because looking at neutralized stats for Jim Breazeale. His neutralized stats are completely jacked up. So much so that they have to be from another player. Breazeale never played in the majors past 1978. He was a very marginal hitter the few years he did hit, but the neutralized stats have him as a monster catcher from '76=78.

I guess I'll just delete him but I figured if one player on the team I'm using is this jacked up, there have to be a few others. So I'd rather just use real stats and suffer whatever minor inconsistencies that may cause with this roster set.

Do you know if I switch to real stats after importing whether it will actually use the real stats?

I'm looking at other players and Max Leon is all messed up, too. Neutralized stats have him switching to a starter (a pretty good starter for a few years) in 1979. He didn't pitch past '78. I'm sure the rosters of all teams are riddled with these errors. Not to take anything away from the hard work that goes into them, but if I have to use the neutralized version I'll have to find another way to enjoy the game.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Jello

Do you know if I switch to real stats after importing whether it will actually use the real stats?

I'm looking at other players and Max Leon is all messed up, too. Neutralized stats have him switching to a starter (a pretty good starter for a few years) in 1979. He didn't pitch past '78. I'm sure the rosters of all teams are riddled with these errors. Not to take anything away from the hard work that goes into them, but if I have to use the neutralized version I'll have to find another way to enjoy the game.

I had started a History of the White Sox league in 1901 using real stats vs neutralized and all the PCL players were garbage 1 pitch pitchers, hitters that could not field, etc. I switched to neutralized in 1911 and played until 1913 and did not have as many problems. I have not played that league in 2 months, but I still have it active.

Do you have retire due to history checked? ?If not players will play far beyond their years at times. Moonlight Graham played in 1 game in 1905. in my game he is a 2 time all star. I do not use retire due to history because it automatically retires any custom players after one season and i want to see what Shoeless Joe can do after 1920.
why are you using Gambo's vs default? I use Gambo's for Negro Leaguers and PCL players. If you don't want them default is the best one to use. and use real. i also use 1 yr recalc.

[Jello]

Follow up:

It looks like it does re-rate them using real stats. I just simmed one season and Breazeale is rated at 21 overall. This is a season that neutralized stats has him hitting .255 with 18 HR in 400 AB's (.767 ops). In '76 they have him with an .870 ops, 23 hr and 109 rbi...at catcher. Those are Fisk or Gary Carter type numbers. In actuality, he didn't even play in the majors from '73-77. He made it up to CHA for a cup of coffee in '78 and then was never heard from again. Neutralized stats have him as a viable catcher through 1987. He's got an OPS around .700 from '80-87.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Jello

Follow up:

It looks like it does re-rate them using real stats. I just simmed one season and Breazeale is rated at 21 overall. This is a season that neutralized stats has him hitting .255 with 18 HR in 400 AB's (.767 ops). In '76 they have him with an .870 ops, 23 hr and 109 rbi...at catcher. Those are Fisk or Gary Carter type numbers. In actuality, he didn't even play in the majors from '73-77. He made it up to CHA for a cup of coffee in '78 and then was never heard from again. Neutralized stats have him as a viable catcher through 1987. He's got an OPS around .700 from '80-87.

Surprised he didn't suck during those years, typically, from what I have seen is that any player does terrible during years he was not in MLB
(wars,injury,minors). Warren Spahn with 1 yr recalc on becomes a MR for 4 years with ERA's in the 7 range.

[Jello]

Originally Posted by The Game

I had started a History of the White Sox league in 1901 using real stats vs neutralized and all the PCL players were garbage 1 pitch pitchers, hitters that could not field, etc. I switched to neutralized in 1911 and played until 1913 and did not have as many problems. I have not played that league in 2 months, but I still have it active.

Do you have retire due to history checked? ?If not players will play far beyond their years at times. Moonlight Graham played in 1 game in 1905. in my game he is a 2 time all star. I do not use retire due to history because it automatically retires any custom players after one season and i want to see what Shoeless Joe can do after 1920.
why are you using Gambo's vs default? I use Gambo's for Negro Leaguers and PCL players. If you don't want them default is the best one to use. and use real. i also use 1 yr recalc.

I usually play with injuries off and players miss seasons/retire according to history. I play with Gambo's rosters for the draft classes mostly. I like to draft guys and watch them develop in my minors, or even bring them up earlier (sometimes later if the situation calls for it) than they came up in real life. I just like the idea of choosing between guys like Molitor and Raines, Petry and Hurst, etc and then developing a team around my drafts.

Also, the trading feature is a lot more interesting with future stars buried deep in an organization's minor league system. Using default, the draft class consists of players who debuted that year. Unless that's changed, I prefer Gambo's rosters.

I was actually going to try playing with real stats, injuries on, and players don't miss seasons and don't retire according to history. I thought that might add some degree of difficulty and force me to have a deeper minor league system.

Hey, what happens on 1 year recalc if the player missed that season in real life? Development engine take over for that year? What about 3 or 5 year recalc? I assume it just skips that missed year and factors in the next one that they played? What about with double weight on current year? These are all questions I've been trying to find the answers to.

[Jello]

Originally Posted by The Game

Surprised he didn't suck during those years, typically, from what I have seen is that any player does terrible during years he was not in MLB
(wars,injury,minors). Warren Spahn with 1 yr recalc on becomes a MR for 4 years with ERA's in the 7 range.

Just to clarify, Breazeale is rated a 51 overall I think in '76 for ATL using neutralized. Switching to real and simming until '77 he comes out rated at 21 for the 1977 season.

[The Game]

Gambo's uses real debut, Spritze is draft year.

[Jello]

Originally Posted by The Game

Gambo's uses real debut, Spritze is draft year.

I'm using the newest version ootpmods. It's listed as Gambo/Spritze DB for OOTP14. It has Raines, Molitor, Petry, Welch, Hurst, Reardon, etc all in the post 1976 draft. Raines is 17 years old and doesn't debut until '79.

I think I used Gambo/Spritze last year too with draft year. The db's listed as only spritze are just too voluminous. There's too much for me to clean up in order to play the game the way I want.

Maybe I'm not using the right site for downloads. I remember reading Spritze last year and he would always say that his rosters updates were at the usual place...but I couldn't ever find the place if he wasn't talking about ootpmods. That was actually the reason I registered here last December, to pm him and ask where he was talking about. But then it told me I had to wait a week or something to have pm rights and I moved on and forgot.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Jello

I'm using the newest version ootpmods. It's listed as Gambo/Spritze DB for OOTP14. It has Raines, Molitor, Petry, Welch, Hurst, Reardon, etc all in the post 1976 draft. Raines is 17 years old and doesn't debut until '79.

I think I used Gambo/Spritze last year too with draft year. The db's listed as only spritze are just too voluminous. There's too much for me to clean up in order to play the game the way I want.

Maybe I'm not using the right site for downloads. I remember reading Spritze last year and he would always say that his rosters updates were at the usual place...but I couldn't ever find the place if he wasn't talking about ootpmods. That was actually the reason I registered here last December, to pm him and ask where he was talking about. But then it told me I had to wait a week or something to have pm rights and I moved on and forgot.

I am also using Gambo/Spritze and Eddie Collins, Ty Cobb, Shoeless Joe and others all debuted in their actual year.

PM Spritze many of his updates are only available by request. Post in his thread.

[Jello]

I just realized that the game won't import the Gambo/Spritze draft class with real stats turned on. Jeez.

I've also found a lot more glaring errors in the neutralized stats. It seems like every fourth or fifth player (at least on the 76 Braves) has completely incorrect neutralized stats.

So, you can't play with these rosters on real stats. And if you play on neutralized stats there are so many errors that you might as well play without recalc and with development on.

I hate to say it, but unless I'm missing something, these rosters are almost useless for anyone who wants an accurate re-enactment of the league.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Jello

I just realized that the game won't import the Gambo/Spritze draft class with real stats turned on. Jeez.

I've also found a lot more glaring errors in the neutralized stats. It seems like every fourth or fifth player (at least on the 76 Braves) has completely incorrect neutralized stats.

So, you can't play with these rosters on real stats. And if you play on neutralized stats there are so many errors that you might as well play without recalc and with development on.

I hate to say it, but unless I'm missing something, these rosters are almost useless for anyone who wants an accurate re-enactment of the league.

With the exception of PCL players in 1911, I have had no problem. Post in Spritze's thread and see what he recommends, maybe I am missing something.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3571702