Draft Lottery

Klew1986 · 09-30-2013, 11:02 AM

Starting with the 2025 draft, I will be holding a draft lottery to determine the draft order. It will be like the NBA draft lottery system. The worse you are, the better the odds, the more ping pong balls are entered into the lottery.

nebradska · 09-30-2013, 12:04 PM

Are you going to rig it in favor of your big market teams like the NBA, too?

Klew1986 · 09-30-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nebradska

Are you going to rig it in favor of your big market teams like the NBA, too?

Nope. It just has you enter the teams in order from worst to first and then it gives the last place team 24 ping pong balls, 2nd worst 23, etc

Lukas Berger · 09-30-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nebradska

Are you going to rig it in favor of your big market teams like the NBA, too?

The NBA doesn't do that. If they did then the Knicks would've gotten a decent pick at some point in the last 15 years.

The Game · 09-30-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Klew1986

Starting with the 2025 draft, I will be holding a draft lottery to determine the draft order. It will be like the NBA draft lottery system. The worse you are, the better the odds, the more ping pong balls are entered into the lottery.

Are you using actual ping pong balls?

Klew1986 · 09-30-2013, 01:22 PM

No. I found a website that does it. I just enter the results for each team.

The Game · 09-30-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Klew1986

No. I found a website that does it. I just enter the results for each team.

Got a link? i have a four sports league that i do where all other sports quit because they were deemed too dangerous by Congress and started to play baseball. Would love to keep the lottery for NBA.

Klew1986 · 09-30-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Got a link? i have a four sports league that i do where all other sports quit because they were deemed too dangerous by Congress and started to play baseball. Would love to keep the lottery for NBA.

DraftPickLottery.com - random draft order tool for fantasy sports leagues

Not sure if it's the correct method that they use, but I use the "Weighted" option. That is the one where the worst team would get 24 ping pong balls, 2nd worst would get 23, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be 24 for you, but that is based on how many teams are you in your league.

Still deciding if I want to use the draft lottery in my solo game or not. I think the FA compensation factor would complicate things.

Le Grande Orange · 09-30-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Klew1986

DraftPickLottery.com - random draft order tool for fantasy sports leagues

Not sure if it's the correct method that they use, but I use the "Weighted" option. That is the one where the worst team would get 24 ping pong balls, 2nd worst would get 23, etc.

That's not a very weighted system. The NBA did it that way originally, but subsequently changed so that the worst team has a specified best chance in the lottery (25%), the second-to-worst team the next best specified chance in the lottery (19.9%), and so on. The non-playoff qualifier with the best record has just a 0.5% chance of winning the lottery. See the Wikipedia entry on the NBA draft lottery.

For what it's worth, MLB's draft lottery apparently uses a system where each qualifying team's record is raised to the fifth power, the values summed, and then each club's fifth power record divided by that sum to arrive at its chances of winning the Competitive Balance Lottery first pick.

eriqjaffe · 09-30-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

That's not a very weighted system. The NBA did it that way originally, but subsequently changed so that the worst team has a specified best chance in the lottery (25%), the second-to-worst team the next best specified chance in the lottery (19.9%), and so on. The non-playoff qualifier with the best record has just a 0.5% chance of winning the lottery. See the Wikipedia entry on the NBA draft lottery.

You could easily do something similar with the custom option on that site.

da commish · 09-30-2013, 06:13 PM

Since you're from Minnesota and if you're the Twins GM, I hope you have better luck than the T-Woofies who have NEVER improved their lottery position in all their years of being in the lottery.

pumph · 10-01-2013, 11:40 PM

I actually implemented a lottery system in a league I ran years ago that used actual lottery numbers.

I preselected the weights for each team and gave out lottery numbers to each team and a list of valid lottery drawings. It worked quite well, and that way, there was no way to tamper with any results.

For example (using Team a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j in the lottery)

Team - Winning Number

Team A 001-250 (25% chance of #1 pick)
Team B 251-425 (17.5%)
Team C 426-575 (15%)
Team D 576-675 (10%)
Team E 676-750 (7.5%)
Team F 751-820 (7%)
Team G 821-880 (6%)
Team H 881-930 (5%)
Team I 931-970 (4%)
Team J 971-000 (3%)

And I take an list of all states that had Pick4 drawings and set the date for the lottery.
The #1 pick would go to the team matching the lottery number of the first listed drawing.
The #2 pick would go to the next matching lottery number, but if it repeated the same team winning, we would skip down to the next state's lottery on the list.
and so on.

We only used a lottery for the Top 5 picks. And it was always resolved in one night's drawings. And it was actually exciting for us to watch the night's lottery drawings to see who would get the picks.

Just thought I'd share. I'm sure there are other/better ways of doing it, but we found this very fun.

09-30-2013, 11:02 AM	#1
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,727	Draft Lottery Starting with the 2025 draft, I will be holding a draft lottery to determine the draft order. It will be like the NBA draft lottery system. The worse you are, the better the odds, the more ping pong balls are entered into the lottery.

09-30-2013, 12:04 PM	#2
nebradska Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 229	Are you going to rig it in favor of your big market teams like the NBA, too?

09-30-2013, 01:22 PM	#6
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,727	No. I found a website that does it. I just enter the results for each team.

09-30-2013, 06:13 PM	#11
da commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 554	Since you're from Minnesota and if you're the Twins GM, I hope you have better luck than the T-Woofies who have NEVER improved their lottery position in all their years of being in the lottery.

10-01-2013, 11:40 PM	#12
pumph Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 94	I actually implemented a lottery system in a league I ran years ago that used actual lottery numbers. I preselected the weights for each team and gave out lottery numbers to each team and a list of valid lottery drawings. It worked quite well, and that way, there was no way to tamper with any results. For example (using Team a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j in the lottery) Team - Winning Number Team A 001-250 (25% chance of #1 pick) Team B 251-425 (17.5%) Team C 426-575 (15%) Team D 576-675 (10%) Team E 676-750 (7.5%) Team F 751-820 (7%) Team G 821-880 (6%) Team H 881-930 (5%) Team I 931-970 (4%) Team J 971-000 (3%) And I take an list of all states that had Pick4 drawings and set the date for the lottery. The #1 pick would go to the team matching the lottery number of the first listed drawing. The #2 pick would go to the next matching lottery number, but if it repeated the same team winning, we would skip down to the next state's lottery on the list. and so on. We only used a lottery for the Top 5 picks. And it was always resolved in one night's drawings. And it was actually exciting for us to watch the night's lottery drawings to see who would get the picks. Just thought I'd share. I'm sure there are other/better ways of doing it, but we found this very fun.