I'm Sorry...developers please read

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Have you played both games? I get the feeling you know nothing at all about OOTP. They're very different and have different features.

And what "bugs" are you talking about in OOTP? OOTP is nearly entirely bug free. Of course it has a few small bugs, as any game does, but very few, none of which are the same as the major bugs in FHM.

seems you didnt play OOTP i guess go to OOTP forums and see people cry the same as in FHM section...full of bugs even game breaking bugs, i did some reading the other day and funny to see it, just go read and come back tell me after with ears flowing that it does not have any bugs

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

The team for OOTP is different from that for FHM. OOTP is mostly Markus and Andreas.

FHM is Jeff, Sebastien and Malte.

i see some forum posts Sebastien have been working in OOTP also sometimes.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by traveler99

seems you didnt play OOTP i guess go to OOTP forums and see people cry the same as in FHM section...full of bugs even game breaking bugs, i did some reading the other day and funny to see it, just go read and come back tell me after with ears flowing that it does not have any bugs

I play OOTP every day. I haven't had a crash in OOTP since version 11. There aren't any game breaking bugs. You're just making stuff up now.

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I play OOTP every day. I haven't had a crash in OOTP since version 11. There aren't any game breaking bugs. You're just making stuff up now.

ok, you asked for it, i be back in a while with some links :P

These are all from latest OOTP 14

AI issues...

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...eeds-work.html

Run-Time error

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ime-error.html

talking of refunds because of bugs not fixed

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-47.html

Bug in OOTP 14 but same bug in OOTP 13 not fixed still

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-46.html

Windows 8 issues (nothing new :P)

the most recent patch crashes non-stop on my PC (Windows 8) It will crash at random times when you click on something (lineups, boxes on a players profile, etc.) It will also crash probably 75% of the time when saving; though that crash will occur when it is at 89%, and nothing winds up being lost; but it is still very annoying. It is becoming more and more frequent to the point where I have to go back to a previous version, or shelf the game for now.

some regrets

Nope, didn't work. Still choppy. I shouldn't have bought 14. Too many issues and it runs so slowly. Going back to 13.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ow-my-mac.html

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ch-coming.html

I'm having nothing but problems with the game crashing. I've done full deletes of the game and files and have started new leagues with each version patch release and always end up with constant crashes. I've updated my computer and am running Windows 7, is there another patch in the works?

Doesn't look like it for Marcus did mention they be concentrating on new OOTP15 now

It seems to me that if the patch is causing enough problems that are being reported that the team would put something out there in the near future to fix it. I am sure if the patch is that faulty they wouldn't leave the game that way for an entire year.

Actually, now you guys have ME wondering. I have been skipping that patch due to some reported problems, and those links I provided indicated to me that MH had agreed to patch the patch.

Yet, could it be that they quietly substituted the patched patch and slightly changed the version number? I lost track of what I was looking at in terms of version number - can anyone else confirm what I think is the situation . . . Is another patch coming or is the one in the sticky at the top of this board it for 14?

I hope so with the latest patch top notch players are remaining on the free agent list all season long. This is I think an old problem that has come back.

"and so on, there is looot of bugs if you go read those forums and game breaking ones also some of them" Quite interesting to see they so fast jump to the OOTP 15 even 14 just came out, not that long ago. Hope they dont leave FHM hanging on while they start to develop FHM 2...makes it truly not worth the purchase if like that, hope not.

Another interesting comment, why people are so hostile in here? in OOTP thread

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...revisited.html

Originally Posted by The Wolf View Post
I make it a tie. How come you left no poll choice for that?

PSUColonel responds: because this isn't soccer

John Howard replies:

Wrong. As usual.

Here is the last one (that I could find):
June 30, 2005 Houston Astros at Cincinnati Reds Box Score and Play by Play - Baseball-Reference.com

Here is a famous one:
New York Yankees vs. Baltimore Orioles - Recap - September 18, 2003 - ESPN

Most ties in a season is 10 by the 1904 Tigers.
Most ties for the history of a franchise is 163 by the New York-San Francisco Giants 1883-2013

PSUColonel replies:

It was a tongue in cheek comment to start with...are you really that much of a nerd that you have to go and start citing sources about a subject that has nothing to do with the thread? THe as usual part is what really gets me. Go crawl back under you rock.

Philliesphan26 comments:

Oh look. Another thread where people are mad at each other.

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by traveler99

seems you didnt play OOTP i guess go to OOTP forums and see people cry the same as in FHM section...full of bugs even game breaking bugs, i did some reading the other day and funny to see it, just go read and come back tell me after with ears flowing that it does not have any bugs

Traveler99 - when is enough,enough? The CODING is different because thats the commands that make things happen, GUI coding is what makes them look/appear like they do! You freeform your comments depending on what point is made to you... In my olden days on a Trash80 you had to be able to code to PLAY the game!!! Yeah I'm that old...

Now I think everyone who has read this thread got the point of the complaints, however where's the CONSTRUCTIVE part of the criticism??? I read here and there is little else but bashing and a little peacemaking.

If they want to be taken seriously, and not a snotnose whiner try these simple steps...
1) Include your information with the bug - Believe it or not there are several different OS running around out there and almost nobody includes even if they are running a mac or PC. THERE is a ton of coding differences in OS as well as with video cards/makers. I grant you there are several obvious corrections to be made, but as someone who was there from the beginning of EHM (I did buy both versions and played the free one - EHM07 is still on my computer today) bad memories fade over time - trust me there were major glitches even in the EHM patches (they unintentionally wrecked "C" while fixing "A" not aware of "B" coding affecting the outcome...)

2) Where there is an obvious bug, correctly explain WHAT game you were playing (New,Historical,Fantasy etc.) and what did it do when it happened? Crash-To-Desktop? Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Its about 50% of the posts just crying "THIS GAME SUCKS!!!" without any info that makes me crazy... "Have a problem? you better have a solution to it" was what I grew up learning... obviously it stuck with me and wasn't covered in schools after I left...

3) Your pointing fingers at OOTP having bugs? it ALWAYS had bugs and both Markus and Andreas work incessantly on them. They have a good relationship with around 85% of the posters on the forum. It's the over a decade plus of us who supported those efforts and bought every version that has OOTP being recognized as one of the premier sims of any type. That didn't happen overnight and you can look at my avatar and see I've been around here a while - and while don't post at every comment I see that aggravates me, this is ridiculousness - they didn't "acknowledge my complaint" Maybe because its on 35 other threads??? Are these people that narcisstic???

4) It hasn't been a month and you already have a major patch and an acknowledgement that they recognize the problems. You want to wait and let them get to it? The frickin hockey season hasn't even started yet! To all of you complaining - "Patience Grasshopper" it will come to you.

[Konstantinov]

Originally Posted by traveler99

you truly are a fanboy with blinds on...If you read these forums there is people who say the player bugs (i could not find link now tried to search but its there, is exact same bug in both games...if is new code how is possible same exact bug appears in both games...)News module is exact same from OOTP just altered txt little, menus and options is exact same, how ignorant you need to be that you still believe its all new...and you are an expert coder that you preach this as 100% fact that it did not use any code? please...

It's all new because it's a hockey game. -_- I'm not going to be drafting Babe Ruth and watch him hit 60 home runs this season. Different calculations, stats, and ratings, which will change the game completely in itself. I don't have to be a "fan boy" to know that.

The UI is similar. But let's see just HOW similar...




Wow. Look at that. Same font and everything.

You don't like the product. We get it. Go ahead and waste your time trying to convince folks that they just took the OOTP coding and slapped some hockey pucks at it. It's completely laughable. You know nothing of coding, obviously.

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by moore4807

Traveler99 - when is enough,enough? The CODING is different because thats the commands that make things happen, GUI coding is what makes them look/appear like they do! You freeform your comments depending on what point is made to you... In my olden days on a Trash80 you had to be able to code to PLAY the game!!! Yeah I'm that old...

Now I think everyone who has read this thread got the point of the complaints, however where's the CONSTRUCTIVE part of the criticism??? I read here and there is little else but bashing and a little peacemaking.

If they want to be taken seriously, and not a snotnose whiner try these simple steps...
1) Include your information with the bug - Believe it or not there are several different OS running around out there and almost nobody includes even if they are running a mac or PC. THERE is a ton of coding differences in OS as well as with video cards/makers. I grant you there are several obvious corrections to be made, but as someone who was there from the beginning of EHM (I did buy both versions and played the free one - EHM07 is still on my computer today) bad memories fade over time - trust me there were major glitches even in the EHM patches (they unintentionally wrecked "C" while fixing "A" not aware of "B" coding affecting the outcome...)

2) Where there is an obvious bug, correctly explain WHAT game you were playing (New,Historical,Fantasy etc.) and what did it do when it happened? Crash-To-Desktop? Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Its about 50% of the posts just crying "THIS GAME SUCKS!!!" without any info that makes me crazy... "Have a problem? you better have a solution to it" was what I grew up learning... obviously it stuck with me and wasn't covered in schools after I left...

3) Your pointing fingers at OOTP having bugs? it ALWAYS had bugs and both Markus and Andreas work incessantly on them. They have a good relationship with around 85% of the posters on the forum. It's the over a decade plus of us who supported those efforts and bought every version that has OOTP being recognized as one of the premier sims of any type. That didn't happen overnight and you can look at my avatar and see I've been around here a while - and while don't post at every comment I see that aggravates me, this is ridiculousness - they didn't "acknowledge my complaint" Maybe because its on 35 other threads??? Are these people that narcisstic???

4) It hasn't been a month and you already have a major patch and an acknowledgement that they recognize the problems. You want to wait and let them get to it? The frickin hockey season hasn't even started yet! To all of you complaining - "Patience Grasshopper" it will come to you.

Thanks for comments but how old you think i am? i have been around since vic-20 in early 80s and i do remember had to type in lots of games to be even able to play lol

#1 and #2 are valid points both.
#3 is only to show that same code was used (shared) why its talks wandered into OOTP side
#4 Releasing a unplayable Beta version...yeah i'm sure we all recognize the problem right there, Hockey season will start without us being able to play this correctly is so bugged right now that it wont be enough time to fix it...in NHL start and European hockey has started already...

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by Konstantinov

It's all new because it's a hockey game. -_- I'm not going to be drafting Babe Ruth and watch him hit 60 home runs this season. Different calculations, stats, and ratings, which will change the game completely in itself. I don't have to be a "fan boy" to know that.

The UI is similar. But let's see just HOW similar...

Wow. Look at that. Same font and everything.

You don't like the product. We get it. Go ahead and waste your time trying to convince folks that they just took the OOTP coding and slapped some hockey pucks at it. It's completely laughable. You know nothing of coding, obviously.

Match screen sure is different...you had to put the only screen that look different LOL, most other screens look quite similar to FHM...

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by traveler99

Thanks for comments but how old you think i am? i have been around since vic-20 in early 80s and i do remember had to type in lots of games to be even able to play lol

#1 and #2 are valid points both.
#3 is only to show that same code was used (shared) why its talks wandered into OOTP side
#4 Releasing a unplayable Beta version...yeah i'm sure we all recognize the problem right there, Hockey season will start without us being able to play this correctly is so bugged right now that it wont be enough time to fix it...in NHL start and European hockey has started already...

traveler99,

OK if your a veteran of hard coding moves from the 80's - then how on god's green earth can you complain about this??? These guys acknowledged mistakes, we both know coding consists today of Hundreds of Thousands lines of coding to a game. Way more than we ever did back then...never mind the computer languages! Essentially they have said FHM is a three man shop with occasional borrowing of people (or GUI) from OOTP, I'm ok with that.

Your comments about screens (#3) This doesn't make sense because your still referring to GUI, not coding! The GUI doesnt reflect mistakes other than what is input data (names, dates, etc.) GUI is colors, sizes of boxes, and fonts for example. and data entry is not coding, but still has to be done.

The coding tells the processor what to do with it. A simplistic example is today's Microsoft Excel - program A-1 through A-12 to sum and whatever you fill in those boxes with will be the sum total in box A-13. Ergo you just programmed! Now forget to assign the fill box and A-13 looks like random numbers and symbols because the logical computer cant reason - it just does exactly what its told. Why is that so hard to apply here for these guys? Do a couple thousand lines of coding and marking each one down so you can track what's done... Then wait three weeks and find there was a problem and one of the three guys has to wade back through all that code to find the problem. Even using a data compiler that job still sucks!

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion, I just find it shocking in this day and age, someone from my generation has so little patience with a game. I still say look at it as an investment, IRL you dont collect money the second you invest it, You give it time and let it grow.

As was pointed out, people are still playing EHM07 six years later and what a return on investment it's been for me! 72 months for $24.99 It will be the same for FHM if its given a chance...

See - there is no bashing on either side necessary... I'm sure the developers want to have this game working correctly as much as you want to play it. For the record what part of FHM cant you play? I am on my third season of NHL (New game, NOT historical) since the update and have had nothing go wrong, some of the data needs addressing and how the $$$ FA works but its not game stopping IMHO.

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by moore4807

traveler99,

OK if your a veteran of hard coding moves from the 80's - then how on god's green earth can you complain about this??? These guys acknowledged mistakes, we both know coding consists today of Hundreds of Thousands lines of coding to a game. Way more than we ever did back then...never mind the computer languages! Essentially they have said FHM is a three man shop with occasional borrowing of people (or GUI) from OOTP, I'm ok with that.

Your comments about screens (#3) This doesn't make sense because your still referring to GUI, not coding! The GUI doesnt reflect mistakes other than what is input data (names, dates, etc.) GUI is colors, sizes of boxes, and fonts for example. and data entry is not coding, but still has to be done.

The coding tells the processor what to do with it. A simplistic example is today's Microsoft Excel - program A-1 through A-12 to sum and whatever you fill in those boxes with will be the sum total in box A-13. Ergo you just programmed! Now forget to assign the fill box and A-13 looks like random numbers and symbols because the logical computer cant reason - it just does exactly what its told. Why is that so hard to apply here for these guys? Do a couple thousand lines of coding and marking each one down so you can track what's done... Then wait three weeks and find there was a problem and one of the three guys has to wade back through all that code to find the problem. Even using a data compiler that job still sucks!

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion, I just find it shocking in this day and age, someone from my generation has so little patience with a game. I still say look at it as an investment, IRL you dont collect money the second you invest it, You give it time and let it grow.

As was pointed out, people are still playing EHM07 six years later and what a return on investment it's been for me! 72 months for $24.99 It will be the same for FHM if its given a chance...

See - there is no bashing on either side necessary... I'm sure the developers want to have this game working correctly as much as you want to play it. For the record what part of FHM cant you play? I am on my third season of NHL (New game, NOT historical) since the update and have had nothing go wrong, some of the data needs addressing and how the $$$ FA works but its not game stopping IMHO.

my reason for my gripe is this, when they released the "Paid" Beta it was actually Alpha, Beta is playable supposed to be and that surely was NOT, Now they release the game and its Beta...what more can i say? if they released it at least in near proper release version and patch it up after whatever minor bugs there be, i would have zero issues with it. But intentionally deceive customers (the its Beta no work as an excuse anymore) have you seen the adverts of the game? now they are selling it, many of the features don't even work...so yes, i'm not a happy camper after paying for beta and waiting for a year already and still cannot play, even after the patch 1.03 i cannot even resign any of the players...how ******ed is that...so simple thing, hope this complaints make the devs think twice for FHM 2 when to release it...they have lost lot of customers already for refunds and simply not buying it, its not only a loss to them but its a huge loss to us people who love Manager style games, if the value of the brand goes down so can go the efforts behind it as it stops making money, hope they take the criticism seriously and try to up the ante soon. I love Manager games and to wait so long for a game like this (since 07 no any good ones) and get disappointed like this, its huge disappointment...

[moore4807]

traveler99,

Ok your assertion is this is a Beta version, did you D/L the Beta and play that? I did not, but followed the posts of those who did. There were near weekly updates during the Beta time and some marked improvements (and a glitch of a version). But really, are you stating there wasn't anything looming with the release that there were NOT known problems? I can't agree with that statement if you are alleging that. I followed the forums pretty closely myself, and there was plenty of warning IMHO...

Again the reasons I bought this game is about the future it holds and if spending $40 (or $30 if you bought it during Beta) annoys you, can I remind you of EA Sports NFL2004 where a swing pass to the RB resulted in a certain touchdown because of a coding glitch... talk about unplayable once that tidbit got out. EA never fixed the problem and denied it even existed even when confronted with video evidence by PC Gamer mag... Have you seen any denials here?

EA is a ginormous corporate entity with hundreds of coders & data processors and all the magic that millions can buy, Yet thier foray into sports management was an epic failure because they don't get the difference between twitchy fingers and "what if" minds.

FHM & OOTP do "get it" and if a shortcoming is going to happen let it be something that can be fixed, I plan to spend my long hard cold winter inside playing FHM and loving every minute of it. Thats future planning my friend!

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by traveler99

i see some forum posts Sebastien have been working in OOTP also sometimes.

He worked on iOOTP, not the regular PC version of OOTP.

Also, I recall a post from one of the coders for FHM who said that, while the GUI was intentionally designed to look like OOTP's, it was in fact coded from the ground up and used little, if any, of OOTP's interface code.


ETA: Really, any savvy PC game buyer should not you do not buy a game immediately on release. There's guaranteed to be some amount of bugs in the product, the degree of which may range from mild but irritating to frequent and game-stopping. The savvy and cost-conscious PC game buyer knows to wait several months at least, for the game to be patched and for a sale to come along. About the only games you can buy on release are those for the game consoles, since those have standard hardware for which the games are developed (but even that doesn't stop bugs from being in the release).

[dejaqwho]

Originally Posted by Konstantinov

It's all new because it's a hockey game. -_- I'm not going to be drafting Babe Ruth and watch him hit 60 home runs this season. Different calculations, stats, and ratings, which will change the game completely in itself. I don't have to be a "fan boy" to know that.

You are wrong, the logic of programing a draft in OOTPB and FHM would be very similar. You will be changing values yes, but the meat of the code will stay very similar. OOTPB and FHM dont draft on minor league stats, they look at potential, current ability and maybe intangibles. Chaning contact to stickhandling or power to shooting stats is fairly easy. How AI percives ratings require mostly value changes, very little in logic code changes. Exact same point applys to trading, signing contracts, financial system, coaching...and probably other stuff. These are all things that should have been copied from OOTPB code and adjusted as needed.

The only thing that would have to be done from scratch is the match engine.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by dejaqwho

You are wrong, the logic of programing a draft in OOTPB and FHM would be very similar. You will be changing values yes, but the meat of the code will stay very similar. OOTPB and FHM dont draft on minor league stats, they look at potential, current ability and maybe intangibles. Chaning contact to stickhandling or power to shooting stats is fairly easy. How AI percives ratings require mostly value changes, very little in logic code changes. Exact same point applys to trading, signing contracts, financial system, coaching...and probably other stuff. These are all things that should have been copied from OOTPB code and adjusted as needed.

The only thing that would have to be done from scratch is the match engine.

Try playing OOTP for a while - then see how wrong that statement is. There is more than one way to play OOTP and more than one way to evaluate draft talent.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by traveler99

my reason for my gripe is this, when they released the "Paid" Beta it was actually Alpha, Beta is playable supposed to be and that surely was NOT, Now they release the game and its Beta...what more can i say? if they released it at least in near proper release version and patch it up after whatever minor bugs there be, i would have zero issues with it. But intentionally deceive customers (the its Beta no work as an excuse anymore) have you seen the adverts of the game? now they are selling it, many of the features don't even work...so yes, i'm not a happy camper after paying for beta and waiting for a year already and still cannot play, even after the patch 1.03 i cannot even resign any of the players...how ******ed is that...so simple thing, hope this complaints make the devs think twice for FHM 2 when to release it...they have lost lot of customers already for refunds and simply not buying it, its not only a loss to them but its a huge loss to us people who love Manager style games, if the value of the brand goes down so can go the efforts behind it as it stops making money, hope they take the criticism seriously and try to up the ante soon. I love Manager games and to wait so long for a game like this (since 07 no any good ones) and get disappointed like this, its huge disappointment...

If you feel you're being deceived then why don't you move on to another company? Most people would.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by traveler99

ok, you asked for it, i be back in a while with some links :P

These are all from latest OOTP 14

AI issues...

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...eeds-work.html

Run-Time error

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ime-error.html

talking of refunds because of bugs not fixed

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-47.html

Bug in OOTP 14 but same bug in OOTP 13 not fixed still

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-46.html

Windows 8 issues (nothing new :P)

the most recent patch crashes non-stop on my PC (Windows 8) It will crash at random times when you click on something (lineups, boxes on a players profile, etc.) It will also crash probably 75% of the time when saving; though that crash will occur when it is at 89%, and nothing winds up being lost; but it is still very annoying. It is becoming more and more frequent to the point where I have to go back to a previous version, or shelf the game for now.

some regrets

Nope, didn't work. Still choppy. I shouldn't have bought 14. Too many issues and it runs so slowly. Going back to 13.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ow-my-mac.html

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ch-coming.html

I'm having nothing but problems with the game crashing. I've done full deletes of the game and files and have started new leagues with each version patch release and always end up with constant crashes. I've updated my computer and am running Windows 7, is there another patch in the works?

Doesn't look like it for Marcus did mention they be concentrating on new OOTP15 now

It seems to me that if the patch is causing enough problems that are being reported that the team would put something out there in the near future to fix it. I am sure if the patch is that faulty they wouldn't leave the game that way for an entire year.

Actually, now you guys have ME wondering. I have been skipping that patch due to some reported problems, and those links I provided indicated to me that MH had agreed to patch the patch.

Yet, could it be that they quietly substituted the patched patch and slightly changed the version number? I lost track of what I was looking at in terms of version number - can anyone else confirm what I think is the situation . . . Is another patch coming or is the one in the sticky at the top of this board it for 14?

I hope so with the latest patch top notch players are remaining on the free agent list all season long. This is I think an old problem that has come back.

"and so on, there is looot of bugs if you go read those forums and game breaking ones also some of them" Quite interesting to see they so fast jump to the OOTP 15 even 14 just came out, not that long ago. Hope they dont leave FHM hanging on while they start to develop FHM 2...makes it truly not worth the purchase if like that, hope not.

Another interesting comment, why people are so hostile in here? in OOTP thread

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...revisited.html

Originally Posted by The Wolf View Post
I make it a tie. How come you left no poll choice for that?

PSUColonel responds: because this isn't soccer

John Howard replies:

Wrong. As usual.

Here is the last one (that I could find):
June 30, 2005 Houston Astros at Cincinnati Reds Box Score and Play by Play - Baseball-Reference.com

Here is a famous one:
New York Yankees vs. Baltimore Orioles - Recap - September 18, 2003 - ESPN

Most ties in a season is 10 by the 1904 Tigers.
Most ties for the history of a franchise is 163 by the New York-San Francisco Giants 1883-2013

PSUColonel replies:

It was a tongue in cheek comment to start with...are you really that much of a nerd that you have to go and start citing sources about a subject that has nothing to do with the thread? THe as usual part is what really gets me. Go crawl back under you rock.

Philliesphan26 comments:

Oh look. Another thread where people are mad at each other.

This proves absolutely nothing.

I can go to any software company's forum, find some bugs, make a list of them and claim they copied another piece of software and that's why they have similar bugs.

When you find the perfect piece of software, please let us all know.

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

This proves absolutely nothing.

I can go to any software company's forum, find some bugs, make a list of them and claim they copied another piece of software and that's why they have similar bugs.

When you find the perfect piece of software, please let us all know.

If you read properly what we were talking about...it was not about the same bug in both games, it was just someone claim that OOTP 14 was bug free lol, so i put it out there :P certainly not.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by traveler99

If you read properly what we were talking about...it was not about the same bug in both games, it was just someone claim that OOTP 14 was bug free lol, so i put it out there :P certainly not.

Please quote the post where the OOTP Development team says OOTP is bug free.

There is no such post.

Someone said the sky is falling - do you believe that as well?

[traveler99]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I play OOTP every day. I haven't had a crash in OOTP since version 11. There aren't any game breaking bugs. You're just making stuff up now.

its right here, i never said or claimed any Staff member said so, just we talked with this guy and he said there is none, well i checked and yes there are...

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by traveler99

its right here, i never said or claimed any Staff member said so, just we talked with this guy and he said there is none, well i checked and yes there are...

I didn't say the game was bug free. No game is. Here's our conversation again since you couldn't be bothered to quote it correctly:

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Have you played both games? I get the feeling you know nothing at all about OOTP. They're very different and have different features.

And what "bugs" are you talking about in OOTP? OOTP is nearly entirely bug free. Of course it has a few small bugs, as any game does, but very few, none of which are the same as the major bugs in FHM.

Originally Posted by traveler99

seems you didnt play OOTP i guess go to OOTP forums and see people cry the same as in FHM section...full of bugs even game breaking bugs, i did some reading the other day and funny to see it, just go read and come back tell me after with ears flowing that it does not have any bugs

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I play OOTP every day. I haven't had a crash in OOTP since version 11. There aren't any game breaking bugs. You're just making stuff up now.

So here you are making stuff up again, now claiming I said the game was bug free, when I never said that.

The bugs you linked to in OOTP are all small, and have mostly been fixed. They're the sort of bugs that are in any game, none are even close to the "game breaking", or "overflowing" bugs you claimed. Even more interesting is how when you couldn't find what you thought were enough bugs for OOTP, you quoted and commented on some silly forum squabbling and comparisons of OOTP to FM, that concluded FM was the better game. Well, no kidding. FM is considered by many to be the best game in the world.

What's was any of that supposed to prove?

You clearly have an agenda and are determined not to let little things like truth or accuracy stand in your way