Unhappy player

Padreman · 09-08-2013, 01:41 PM

If a player is unhappy and mind you a above average player in the startin lineup will his unhappy state affect his playing and production? I have a player like that just happen he is a 35+ home run guy unhappy i don't want to trade him and lose those home runs I figured ill leave him and just has to put up with it. But thinking about twice now will i have bad consequences for still playing him?

Déjà Bru · 09-08-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

If a player is unhappy and mind you a above average player in the startin lineup will his unhappy state affect his playing and production? I have a player like that just happen he is a 35+ home run guy unhappy i don't want to trade him and lose those home runs I figured ill leave him and just has to put up with it. But thinking about twice now will i have bad consequences for still playing him?

If he's unhappy but still productive, keep playing him. Why not? It can't be from lack of playing time. If it's something else, you should try to correct the matter if you can because it's well known that unhappiness will affect a player's development and production. It may be cumulative and you may not see 35 homers from him in the future if he stays down in the dumps.

Padreman · 09-08-2013, 04:25 PM

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If he's unhappy but still productive, keep playing him. Why not? It can't be from lack of playing time. If it's something else, you should try to correct the matter if you can because it's well known that unhappiness will affect a player's development and production. It may be cumulative and you may not see 35 homers from him in the future if he stays down in the dumps.

Well I'm in last place and im assuming he wants to play for a winner

redsman1 · 09-08-2013, 04:30 PM

ive got a 4 star guy. young guy under 25 years. starts in RF for me. his expectations are as a bench player

he is unhappy. not sure what he wants to be happy, does he want to not start?? been like that all season as well.

Déjà Bru · 09-08-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Well I'm in last place and im assuming he wants to play for a winner

Well, you know how to fix that problem!

Fyrestorm3 · 09-08-2013, 06:20 PM

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ive got a 4 star guy. young guy under 25 years. starts in RF for me. his expectations are as a bench player

he is unhappy. not sure what he wants to be happy, does he want to not start?? been like that all season as well.

Are you sure that's the only thing he's unhappy about? The morale section includes Team Record, Transactions, and Personal Performance as well as Role on Team.

Padreman · 09-08-2013, 06:37 PM

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Are you sure that's the only thing he's unhappy about? The morale section includes Team Record, Transactions, and Personal Performance as well as Role on Team.

Role on team does it mean like a starter rather than a bench player or closer rather than middle reliver?

Fyrestorm3 · 09-08-2013, 06:39 PM

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Role on team does it mean like a starter rather than a bench player or closer rather than middle reliver?

Yes. The Role on Team aspect of player morale is the easiest to notice/fix. The player tells you right in his info box what he expects to play (starting lineup, top of the order, closer, bench, etc.) and if he's not playing at or above that level, his morale can drop.

RchW · 09-08-2013, 06:42 PM

On a scale of 0-9 unhappiness is about a 2.5. Play him until he doesn't perform.

pgjocki · 09-08-2013, 08:33 PM

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On a scale of 0-9 unhappiness is about a 2.5. Play him until he doesn't perform.

I agree, as a GM I am not concerned with your happiness and only care about the on-field production. If a player is unhappy and it starts to affect the team's ability to win then I will trade him off.

redsman1 · 09-08-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Are you sure that's the only thing he's unhappy about? The morale section includes Team Record, Transactions, and Personal Performance as well as Role on Team.

season is over. just checked him out. he is angry on performance. finished the season 3rd in steals in the league, 3rd in runs scored in the league. he had the 3rd highest BA on team as well as home runs and rbi's. performance is nothing to be angry about!! and he was very unhappy with transactions and he was like that all season. not sure why. I had him playing his best rated position, his expectation were bench player and that was a silly expectation since he was rated the #17 prospect when drafted. maybe I traded his best buddy away?? just not seeing any reason why this guy should be unhappy

redsman1 · 09-08-2013, 11:44 PM

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Yes. The Role on Team aspect of player morale is the easiest to notice/fix. The player tells you right in his info box what he expects to play (starting lineup, top of the order, closer, bench, etc.) and if he's not playing at or above that level, his morale can drop.

role on team is easy as well because the player will message you and tell you about it

Fyrestorm3 · 09-09-2013, 12:12 AM

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season is over. just checked him out. he is angry on performance. finished the season 3rd in steals in the league, 3rd in runs scored in the league. he had the 3rd highest BA on team as well as home runs and rbi's. performance is nothing to be angry about!! and he was very unhappy with transactions and he was like that all season. not sure why. I had him playing his best rated position, his expectation were bench player and that was a silly expectation since he was rated the #17 prospect when drafted. maybe I traded his best buddy away?? just not seeing any reason why this guy should be unhappy

Can't say about his performance, but transactions covers things like the Trading Block and Shopping a Player. Did you try to trade him during the season?

Padreman · 09-09-2013, 01:32 AM

So if I understand this correctly an unhappy player can also affect his teammates performance and make them unhappy?

redsman1 · 09-09-2013, 06:49 AM

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Can't say about his performance, but transactions covers things like the Trading Block and Shopping a Player. Did you try to trade him during the season?

yeah after replying I read the manual a little bit to see if it explained anything. he must be really sensitive. I shop all my guys at some point, it seems he was the only one that didn't like it that much! sorry to padreman for derailing his thread a little

fhomess · 09-09-2013, 11:27 AM

Some ballplayers are like women. If you shop them around, they don't like it much. OOTP needs a "Shop for player" option, where you can buy them diamond studded cleats to cheer them up again. Diamonds fix everything.

RchW · 09-09-2013, 11:43 AM

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So if I understand this correctly an unhappy player can also affect his teammates performance and make them unhappy?

I'm not aware of that. Did you get this from the manual or some post from Markus?

I like having some unhappy players. A happy team may be like a fat cat.

johnhannibalsmith · 09-09-2013, 12:07 PM

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season is over. just checked him out. he is angry on performance. finished the season 3rd in steals in the league, 3rd in runs scored in the league. he had the 3rd highest BA on team as well as home runs and rbi's. performance is nothing to be angry about!! and he was very unhappy with transactions and he was like that all season. not sure why. I had him playing his best rated position, his expectation were bench player and that was a silly expectation since he was rated the #17 prospect when drafted. maybe I traded his best buddy away?? just not seeing any reason why this guy should be unhappy

I always have a few of these knuckleheads. The guy is twenty-years-old, in AAA, hitting .356/.414/.687, starting every day - and he's so irate over his performance that his overall outlook on life is miserable. Short of promoting him to the majors to hope that he'll get giddy about that transaction and equalize his misery somewhat, there's almost nothing you can do with these guys but trade them to Colorado or Washington and hope they mellow out a little.

Nunyer · 09-09-2013, 12:08 PM

I tend to completely ignore the morale system during the season... as most of those decisions that will effect an individual player aren't really decisions at all. You play the guy that is performing, sit the guy that isn't. Shop around the guy that might have more value to somebody else, extend the contract of the guy that is part of your future plans. There just isn't much you can do in many scenarios for certain players. Your moves are dictated what is best for the organization.

Now it is a slightly different ball of wax in the off season. When I get hit with the double-angry-whammy of "role on team" and "transactions" for a veteran who has lost his starting job... well, I try to move him. But during the season, he probably has more value to me as a backup than getting shipped for a prospect.

09-08-2013, 06:42 PM	#9
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09-09-2013, 11:27 AM	#16
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,693	Some ballplayers are like women. If you shop them around, they don't like it much. OOTP needs a "Shop for player" option, where you can buy them diamond studded cleats to cheer them up again. Diamonds fix everything. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

09-08-2013, 01:41 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Unhappy player If a player is unhappy and mind you a above average player in the startin lineup will his unhappy state affect his playing and production? I have a player like that just happen he is a 35+ home run guy unhappy i don't want to trade him and lose those home runs I figured ill leave him and just has to put up with it. But thinking about twice now will i have bad consequences for still playing him?

09-08-2013, 04:30 PM	#4
redsman1 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15	ive got a 4 star guy. young guy under 25 years. starts in RF for me. his expectations are as a bench player he is unhappy. not sure what he wants to be happy, does he want to not start?? been like that all season as well.

09-09-2013, 01:32 AM	#14
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	So if I understand this correctly an unhappy player can also affect his teammates performance and make them unhappy?

09-09-2013, 12:08 PM	#19
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	I tend to completely ignore the morale system during the season... as most of those decisions that will effect an individual player aren't really decisions at all. You play the guy that is performing, sit the guy that isn't. Shop around the guy that might have more value to somebody else, extend the contract of the guy that is part of your future plans. There just isn't much you can do in many scenarios for certain players. Your moves are dictated what is best for the organization. Now it is a slightly different ball of wax in the off season. When I get hit with the double-angry-whammy of "role on team" and "transactions" for a veteran who has lost his starting job... well, I try to move him. But during the season, he probably has more value to me as a backup than getting shipped for a prospect.