free agent decision making?

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

I should also note that player personalities were off - going to turn that system on this time around, just in case that has anything to do with hometown signings.

oh man, idk you had personalities off, I'm 100% sure that affects things. If you have no individual personalities turned on then yea it's just a number game cause all the players are just basically numbers. It's the "personalities" like playing for a winner that influences the players in the game, especially in FA. T

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Ts-Rock

oh man, idk you had personalities off, I'm 100% sure that affects things. If you have no individual personalities turned on then yea it's just a number game cause all the players are just basically numbers. It's the "personalities" like playing for a winner that influences the players in the game, especially in FA. T

Fair point, I never thought about that. My intention was to avoid getting a "greedy" player with a low work ethic who would chase the money no matter what. I'm running the test again right now, so I'll redo those two that I previously posted about, as well as trying a couple with the hometown variable.

[Fyrestorm3]

And the results:

The same two players, released into Free Agency, behaved exactly the same way as in the first test, with player personalities on.

Two other players, in the exact same test, turned down their hometown team to play for a stacked team offering them more money.

Small sample size, but I think it's pretty apparent that players simply don't care if you already have other players at their position or not.

Originally Posted by mpejkrm

You know, stuff like this happens in real life, especially in the NBA. Like so:

Kershaw obviously didn't think you were paying him enough money, and he thought he could get more on the open market, so he turned you down. After a few months, when he realized he wasn't going to get more on the open market, he had to settle for a lesser deal.

I think this hits the nail on the head. What was the time difference between the player asking for more money and then settling for less? If it's more than a couple days, there's your answer.

[VanillaGorilla]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

And the results:

The same two players, released into Free Agency, behaved exactly the same way as in the first test, with player personalities on.

Two other players, in the exact same test, turned down their hometown team to play for a stacked team offering them more money.

Small sample size, but I think it's pretty apparent that players simply don't care if you already have other players at their position or not.



I think this hits the nail on the head. What was the time difference between the player asking for more money and then settling for less? If it's more than a couple days, there's your answer.

If it isn't too much trouble, can you run your tests with the two teams offering the same amount of money? This would give us an indication if either roster composition or hometown leanings act as any sort of influence, albeit with less influence than money, IAW your test setup.

[Ts-Rock]

I could have swore I read in ootp12 or ootp13 forum that the "home town" theory only implies if the city of team is the EXACT same home town as player. like if a player is from Gwinnett outside of Atlanta isn't the same as if the player is from Atlanta.

NOTE: could not find this via forum search

Just like I've seen it work the opposite in my online league I'm still a believer that there is no definitive FA decision making.


Either way, nice job on test

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by Ts-Rock

I could have swore I read in ootp12 or ootp13 forum that the "home town" theory only implies if the city of team is the EXACT same home town as player. like if a player is from Gwinnett outside of Atlanta isn't the same as if the player is from Atlanta.

I had a player from Pomona, CA sign with the Angels in my game, and I got a news story about him signing with his hometown. No idea if this carries over into AI decision-making, though.

Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla

If it isn't too much trouble, can you run your tests with the two teams offering the same amount of money? This would give us an indication if either roster composition or hometown leanings act as any sort of influence, albeit with less influence than money, IAW your test setup.

On it.

[Fyrestorm3]

Okay, now it's getting interesting.

Note: In all tests, the two teams involved finished comparably last season, either bottom of their division, or top of it.

• Test 1: Hometown Team vs. Stacked Team, Equal Contracts. Player signed with Hometown Team.
  
• Test 2: Stacked Team vs. Normal Team, no Hometown, Equal Contracts. Player signed with Normal Team.
  
• Test 3: Stacked Hometown Team vs. Normal Team, Equal Contracts. Player signed with Normal Team.

So. When contracts are equal, the AI does indeed favor a non-stacked team, even over his hometown. But, as the previous tests showed, up the offer by even a paltry sum, and the guy will likely chase the money.

[Nunyer]

Originally Posted by mpejkrm

You know, stuff like this happens in real life, especially in the NBA. Like so:

Kershaw obviously didn't think you were paying him enough money, and he thought he could get more on the open market, so he turned you down. After a few months, when he realized he wasn't going to get more on the open market, he had to settle for a lesser deal.

This is how I've always interpreted the free agent decision making process as well. However, there is no mechanism in place for him to come back to you and kickstart negotiations again. If I offer a free agent a 5yr/$50m contract and he says "no thanks"... even if I leave that offer rotting in the "pending" section... he never comes back. If I withdraw the offer then he's pissy and won't even talk to me later in the offseason... and eventually he signs for 4yr/$38m somewhere else.

This isn't a common thing as far as I am concerned, but I do see it on occasion. The only way a negotiation can go for a human player is upwards from the initial offer. There should be something that allows for the player to basically say "oops, I screwed the pooch... maybe your team is the best fit." ... but if it's there, I never see it.

[bombboy85]

Wow didn't expect this many responses before I could get back to this thread lol.

To answer a couple questions, contracts were same length and even same bonuses for all-star select and everything just less money was taken for the other team. I turned it into an experiment and restarted offering contracts to a few players and every one of them turned down my contracts (same as they signed before restart) asking for more money or more time then signed for similar years and less money. Happened enough to make it seem like it's part of making the game "tougher". I have had players sign extensions for cheaper though than they would want in FA