Stat tracking/display

[Smetana]

I'm referring to the league leaders screens, and to the team stats screen.

Nice to see some improvements in what stats are displayed, but still needs work.

The team stats screen includes goals/game, but does not include goals against/game, which is absolutely necessary. Shots/game are there, but not shots against/game. And the most glaring ommission: special teams stats. PP and SH numbers are a must, and a home/away breakdown would be nice as well.

Any plans to improve what numbers are displayed on these pages?

[Nomis97]

Yeah -- thats another idea.


On the Manager Screen you should be able to keep track of what you want to see.

i.e. I'd love to see my top scorers or league top scorers.. etc

HOWEVER I'd like to have the option to see my top prospects and how they are performing...

Whether it be in Juniors or in the Minors.. it would be great to see who is leading their teams etc.

If the MANAGER's screen was customizable then we could see what they want to see.

1. League Standings
2. Personal Financial information
3. Upcoming FAs on team
4. Upcoming FAs in League
5. Top Scorers
6. Top Performing Prospects
7. Top PIM is in the league
etc
etc

[seven]

It also appears that the system does not keep track of empty-net goals, nor the actual amount of time on ice for goalies who are pulled near the end of the game for 6 attackers. Either that, or pulling the goalie is not yet an available option. At this stage, if pulling the goalie is an option, it appears that if an empty-net goal is scored, it is counted against the goalie of record, even though he was not on the ice at the time.

[croatian]

I don't know why goalies SO is always at 0...in my fictional leagues, my goalie have had 3 SO-s and when I looked on his stats or at league leaders stats it was still 0 !?

[Smetana]

Originally Posted by Smetana

I'm referring to the league leaders screens, and to the team stats screen.

Nice to see some improvements in what stats are displayed, but still needs work.

The team stats screen includes goals/game, but does not include goals against/game, which is absolutely necessary. Shots/game are there, but not shots against/game. And the most glaring ommission: special teams stats. PP and SH numbers are a must, and a home/away breakdown would be nice as well.

Any plans to improve what numbers are displayed on these pages?

Bumping this in the hopes that Jeff might comment.

Any hope of having, at the least, special teams stats in this version?

[Crombeen]

I think he said they're working on this but not for the next update - They will work on this between the last update and the final version.

Q: JeffR,

Originally Posted by JeffR

There will be another update before release, but I'm not going to give a precise date on when it'll be available. We're making very good progress, but I want the AI roster handling, contract rules, and all trading (user-AI and AI-AI) to be on a good footing before this update goes out (improvements in some other areas, notably game stats and custom mode, will likely not be in until the release version.) I'm looking at a build now that deals primarily with AI-AI trade improvements, and those are much better now; Sebastian's just finished a round of tuning based on what I saw in it, and we'll be giving the next build to the testers later tonight, I hope.) Probably one more round of tuning after that and it should be OK, then there'll be some more work on various transaction/roster issues before it's update time.

To be honest I think laying out player and league-stat pages is just as starting a business with not so much experience on your bones, you don't have to be the smartest guy from the class but you just have to take a sneak-peek at what the Pro's do so right. Learn from them , copy that info in your game at your own custom designs of course (not 1-on-1 copy-/paste) but if they will have a look at NHL.com stats + player profiles they could use it as a template to make some decisions on what the show where and what for sure not to show.

The age column before games played for example is really weird and should get deleted because it doesn't add any value. It's like numbering +1, +1, +1, +1 people learn that when they're 3 or 4 years old. Why do you think the NHL doesn't do stuff like that, because it makes stuff unreadable, clutchy, how often have you looked at the age numbering column and tought it was games played because you don't expect stuff at that place.

Less is more..

[CalgaryCannons]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

The age column before games played for example is really weird and should get deleted because it doesn't add any value. It's like numbering +1, +1, +1, +1 people learn that when they're 3 or 4 years old. Why do you think the NHL doesn't do stuff like that, because it makes stuff unreadable, clutchy, how often have you looked at the age numbering column and tought it was games played because you don't expect stuff at that place.

Less is more..

Less isn't more. More is more.

The age column does have some value, especially when looking at career stats. While the NHL website may not do it, Hockey Reference does: Mario Lemieux NHL Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

I'm not sure it needs to be on the last 4 season view that is on the main player page, but for the career stats page it's nice. I'd also follow Hockey Reference's lead and put it after the season but before the team so it reads more "in 1984/85 when he was 19 and playing for Pittsburgh Mario played x games, scored x goals, etc."

[pens66]

I too think that an age column is very nice addition.
When I'm browsing stuff on hockeydb I constantly have to look at the birthdate of the players and then do the quick math to know at what age they scored that many points or switched leagues or whatever. It's actually pretty annyoing.

[Smetana]

A lot of work can be done in this area, but the biggest concern for me, personally, is that we NEED to have a screen similar to this one:

2012-2013 - Playoffs - All Skaters - Summary - Wins - NHL.com - Stats

All the pertinent team stats right there, all sortable.

[CalgaryCannons]

Originally Posted by Smetana

A lot of work can be done in this area, but the biggest concern for me, personally, is that we NEED to have a screen similar to this one:

2012-2013 - Playoffs - All Skaters - Summary - Wins - NHL.com - Stats

All the pertinent team stats right there, all sortable.

I'm not sure if you've seen the Team Stats page, but it's similar to that (with some missing columns and some that don't make much sense):


Obviously there's still changes needed to it.

[dave1927p]

I still haven't figured out how to view your full team stats including the players you've sent to the minors. When I send them down they disappear from the stats page but yet after the season is over the yearly team stats in the history shows them just fine (minus the ability to sort columns)

[helmespc]

I miss having Last 10 records somewhere convenient.... (unless I'm missing something)

[CalgaryCannons]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

I still haven't figured out how to view your full team stats including the players you've sent to the minors. When I send them down they disappear from the stats page but yet after the season is over the yearly team stats in the history shows them just fine (minus the ability to sort columns)

Best I've found is to go to the Contract Max view under the Roster tab and then view the Skater Stats or Goalie Stats from there. Not the most convenient and it won't include players that have been traded, but it will get you the guys in the minors or on the IR.

[Smetana]

Originally Posted by CalgaryCannons

I'm not sure if you've seen the Team Stats page, but it's similar to that (with some missing columns and some that don't make much sense):


Obviously there's still changes needed to it.

Yup, I've seen it. It presents a lot of info that just is not needed. Assists per game, but no goals against per game? No PP. No PK.

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by CalgaryCannons

Less isn't more. More is more.

The age column does have some value, especially when looking at career stats. While the NHL website may not do it, Hockey Reference does: Mario Lemieux NHL Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

I'm not sure it needs to be on the last 4 season view that is on the main player page, but for the career stats page it's nice. I'd also follow Hockey Reference's lead and put it after the season but before the team so it reads more "in 1984/85 when he was 19 and playing for Pittsburgh Mario played x games, scored x goals, etc."

I couldn't agree with you more. Crombeen, I look over tons of stats on both hockeydb and hockeyreference and I have to say it adds a ton of value for me. I love the ages in each column and it meaned a lot to me that FHM decided to include it, although I would prefer them where hockeyreference.com has it (easier to see so It doesn't blend in with all the other hockey numbers) but that's just me being picky. Heck, i'd even like to see in those columns if a player was an alternate captain or captain but seems I may in the minority there.

Now if they were just to bold the numbers when the player lead the league in that category and had an asterisk or something next to the year to indicate when the player won the Stanley cup (like The Official Record Book of NHL) then we'd be in business.

[Crombeen]

For me it's the worst thing I've ever seen..

But if some people really like it, keep it in there, but at least order the columns differently - like they do at your source.
[ year ] [ age ] [ team ] [ league ] [ games played ] [ goals ] [ assists ] [ points ]

Thats something else than:

[ year ] [ team ] [ age ] [ games played ] [ goals ] [ assists ] [ points ]

The bold part is the most important content and if you add another number before them it just makes things clutter.

[archibalduk]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

But if some people really like it, keep it in there, but at least order the columns differently - like they do at your source.
[ year ] [ age ] [ team ] [ league ] [ games played ] [ goals ] [ assists ] [ points ]

Yes, that would make things a lot easier to read IMO. At the moment, the age just merges in with all of the stats.

It would be nice if eventually the stats in the drop-down menu are called something other than Player Stats 1, Player Stats 2, etc. Again, inspiration could/should be taken from other websites to see how they group things. Most websites group things in very similar ways and so it's what most of us are used to seeing - hence it'd be a good place to start.

[Crombeen]

To be honest I think they can group lots of pages together to get the flow in the game.

When creating pages they should keep in mind, what do people wanna see first and what's really needed on that page:
If I click on a players name to view his profile page it's most likely that the most people wanna see is:

• General info
• Contract (caphit) + end of contract
• Position he can play
• Health + what type of player (mental)
• Ratings ( all the ranking, most important in a sim game )
• *Optionally his current stats

At this point to get that info of a player you need at least two clicks, because the ratings are divided in two separated pages. So do the Stats pages. They should bundle more information because they belong to each other.

Yesterday I started working on a redesign of the game (just for fun) based on three parts:
(1) make it more of a hockey experience
(2) less clicks and better readability
(3) delete all extra info that isn't needed - Like forwards showing a zero value for goalie-positioning and a 5 or 8 for defense. It can't be too difficult to write a line of code that says if a positioning rating is lower then 10 don't show it at all. Nobody is even thinking about putting Giroux in net or on defense.

[archibalduk]

I really like the mock-up. It's much clearer at a glance what positions the player can play. I see your point about the sub-10 positional ratings. My only concern is that if you're managing a smaller club with a small roster and you end up with an injury crisis, you may have to resort to playing an offensive forward in defence. Perhaps sub-10 ratings could appear on your graphic, but they could be semi-transparent?

Going off topic, but this relates to your post and something that somebody brought up on the TBL Forums: The bar graphs showing how good a player's attributes are seem pretty much unnecessary and take up a lot of room. A coloured number would do just fine (and without the square that encloses each number, forcing the text size to be pretty small). If you started stripping out those graphs, perhaps it'd be possible to put all of the attributes on the Profile screen (I find it difficult to evaluate a player when I have to keep switching between two screens to see his stats). - I just mention this because you say you're redesigning / mocking-up.

EDIT: Your six-point bullet list is exactly the same as what I want to see on the Profile Page.

[Crombeen]

I see your point, but maybe a checkbox at the bottom that is un-checked by default and can be activated to see show all positions on the ice.

My opinion is that those 'rating graphic bars' should be in there at least for a few years - maybe in the future if we get more advanced player-types and also more different ratings you could consider deleting them but for now there is space enough.

One thing I really don't like is the color schemes they use right now. It doesn't make any sense. Because in any game or whatsoever good and healthy values are always colored green and bad or weak always red. It's a global standard based on a very simple RGB color-wheel.


They shouldn't use the color blue because it's on the left-side of the picture, they should only use the right-side (50%) of the colors. Starting by zero (red) at the top and going to 20 (green) at the bottom. Every single or double rating-poin up or down changes the color a little bit plus the rating-bar increases or decreases by a few pixels till you have a solid flow and step by step from red - to green.
At the end if all ratings are shown off at one page you can see in just a glimpse staring at the ratings how good a player will be based on his colors. If you see lots of green it's means he has lots of ratings above 17 which is very skilled. If you would take 15 or 16 as average solid NHL level. 12 - 14 AHL-/NHL 3rd or 4th line and 18 - 20 the real thing.

This is what I made, it's just a mock-up but I tried to keep some level of familiarity between the ice-surface and the ratings-box-wrapper because players use those ratings on ice so I tried to make a connection in the design element. Background white so it's more clear.
*…rating-colors in this picture aren't ready yet because the 17 positioning color on the ice is almost the same as 11 in the shooting area and thats not right.



Remember it's just a mock-up nothing too fancy and i'm just trying something out.