Why is "Stopper" not available for modern era?

KurtBevacqua · 07-14-2013, 11:35 AM

I've been hoping for the longest time OOTP would allow me to assign relief pitchers to play the way I want them played, and they brilliantly came up with the "Stopper" role in the bullpen, which is exactly how I use the player most folks call a closer. But it's not available in the Modern era, thus can't be used in any of my online leagues. This is a great feature, but why are we so limited by it? Makes no sense whatsoever to me other than to say "because that's not how Tony Larussa does it."

David Watts · 07-14-2013, 12:08 PM

Change "use of closers" to rarely and you will get a stopper.

The Wolf · 07-14-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Change "use of closers" to rarely and you will get a stopper.

Awesome! Thanks!

KurtBevacqua · 07-14-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Change "use of closers" to rarely and you will get a stopper.

Are you talking about overall era settings? Doesn't help me with my online league strategy.

David Watts · 07-14-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Are you talking about overall era settings? Doesn't help me with my online league strategy.

Ugh, I missed the online part of your post. Sorry.

KurtBevacqua · 07-14-2013, 04:56 PM

I guess my question really boils down to why offer the role for such a limited circumstance? There are many of us who don't like the conventional wisdom on bullpen use, prefer the Bill James recommendation of situational relief pitching where you put your best reliever into a more important game situation such as tie game with runners on base in the 7th or 8th inning rather than in the 9th with a three run lead. The Stopper role would seem to me to be just that sort of role. Yet I can only use it only when Closer use is on Rare? Why? Why not have that role always available for those of us who will use it for our top reliever? I'd like to know why Markus and friends coded it that way and for what reason we can't always have it available?

David Watts · 07-14-2013, 05:23 PM

This is just a suggestion, but maybe you could petition your online league commish to change to the "rare" setting for use of closers. It does appear that the closer(in addition to the stopper role) role is available using this setting.

CMH · 07-14-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I guess my question really boils down to why offer the role for such a limited circumstance? There are many of us who don't like the conventional wisdom on bullpen use, prefer the Bill James recommendation of situational relief pitching where you put your best reliever into a more important game situation such as tie game with runners on base in the 7th or 8th inning rather than in the 9th with a three run lead. The Stopper role would seem to me to be just that sort of role. Yet I can only use it only when Closer use is on Rare? Why? Why not have that role always available for those of us who will use it for our top reliever? I'd like to know why Markus and friends coded it that way and for what reason we can't always have it available?

I agree. The option should be available for those guys that want to use a different set up for their own teams.

KurtBevacqua · 07-14-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

This is just a suggestion, but maybe you could petition your online league commish to change to the "rare" setting for use of closers. It does appear that the closer(in addition to the stopper role) role is available using this setting.

I'm not gonna do that because it would be a dramatic change to how the game uses relievers, and I'm not in to changing everyone else's strategy just to suit mine. What I'd really like is a patch that opens the role up under all settings. You don't have to use it if you like the conventional way of doing things. Hence, I see no reason whatsoever for them not to change it.

rem · 08-04-2013, 08:41 PM

I agree. I'm really happy about the addition of the stopper role to the OOTP and I would really like to be able to use it in my online league.

olivertheorem · 08-04-2013, 09:11 PM

Couldn't you approximate the Stopper by setting your closer to be used in the 7th inning or later instead of just the 9th?

Left-handed Badger · 08-05-2013, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Couldn't you approximate the Stopper by setting your closer to be used in the 7th inning or later instead of just the 9th?

Of course, it would mean the guy get no saves. But, make the best guy the #1 set-up guy/#1 MR and the second best guy the closer.

RchW · 08-05-2013, 03:29 AM

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Of course, it would mean the guy get no saves. But, make the best guy the #1 set-up guy/#1 MR and the second best guy the closer.

No, he would get less saves but not zero saves. This I know.

olivertheorem · 08-05-2013, 11:10 AM

If you want your best reliever to be a Stopper, and not a Closer, you're already saying that the definition of a "save" is flawed. So I don't know why the number of saves he'd get matters in this discussion.

statfreak · 08-05-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Couldn't you approximate the Stopper by setting your closer to be used in the 7th inning or later instead of just the 9th?

I believe the options for a closer are 8, 8+, and 9.

The set up role does have the 7th inning available.

I guess the best way to approximate the stopper role in the modern era is to set the "closer" to set up with the use in setting at 7 and make his secondary role closer.

That will probably affect his mood if he wants to be a closer, but other than that should approximate the stopper role.

Not an ideal solution, just a workaround until (if) the stopper role is made available to all eras.

07-14-2013, 04:56 PM	#6
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I guess my question really boils down to why offer the role for such a limited circumstance? There are many of us who don't like the conventional wisdom on bullpen use, prefer the Bill James recommendation of situational relief pitching where you put your best reliever into a more important game situation such as tie game with runners on base in the 7th or 8th inning rather than in the 9th with a three run lead. The Stopper role would seem to me to be just that sort of role. Yet I can only use it only when Closer use is on Rare? Why? Why not have that role always available for those of us who will use it for our top reliever? I'd like to know why Markus and friends coded it that way and for what reason we can't always have it available? __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

08-04-2013, 08:41 PM	#10
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I agree. I'm really happy about the addition of the stopper role to the OOTP and I would really like to be able to use it in my online league. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

07-14-2013, 11:35 AM	#1
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Why is "Stopper" not available for modern era? I've been hoping for the longest time OOTP would allow me to assign relief pitchers to play the way I want them played, and they brilliantly came up with the "Stopper" role in the bullpen, which is exactly how I use the player most folks call a closer. But it's not available in the Modern era, thus can't be used in any of my online leagues. This is a great feature, but why are we so limited by it? Makes no sense whatsoever to me other than to say "because that's not how Tony Larussa does it." __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

07-14-2013, 12:08 PM	#2
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,134 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Change "use of closers" to rarely and you will get a stopper.

07-14-2013, 05:23 PM	#7
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,134 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	This is just a suggestion, but maybe you could petition your online league commish to change to the "rare" setting for use of closers. It does appear that the closer(in addition to the stopper role) role is available using this setting.

08-04-2013, 09:11 PM	#11
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Couldn't you approximate the Stopper by setting your closer to be used in the 7th inning or later instead of just the 9th?

08-05-2013, 11:10 AM	#14
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	If you want your best reliever to be a Stopper, and not a Closer, you're already saying that the definition of a "save" is flawed. So I don't know why the number of saves he'd get matters in this discussion.