Compensation Picks

[Papi]

Hey everyone,

I can't seem to figure this out. I know the rules changes with the new CBA this year, but did they also change in OOTP14? Some teams seem to have more than one first round pick, I am assuming from a player not accepting arbitration, and no matter how good the player is that I offer arbitration to, if they decline it, I get nothing in return.

Is it due to my record? Or a setting in the game?

[cblacker]

Yes, OOTP has the new CBA rules for draft pick compensation. I'm not sure if they are enabled by default or not. I assume they are if you use the MLB quickstart. Teams can also get an extra first round pick if they didn't sign their first round pick from the previous year (e.g. the Pirates not signing Mark Appel last year).

EDIT: Also, you have to make the player a 'qualifying offer', which he has to reject, and another team must sign the player as a free agent in order for you to get the compensation pick.

[Papi]

By "Qualifying Offer", are you referring to the option come Arbitration time that says "Offer Arbitration"? I don't see anyway to make a qualifying offer.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Papi

By "Qualifying Offer", are you referring to the option come Arbitration time that says "Offer Arbitration"? I don't see anyway to make a qualifying offer.

The qualifying offer is calculated by OOTP and presented as arbitration in the check marked box on your list of pending FA. AFAIK it does a pretty good job of calculating the qualifying offer amount.

Edit

Originally Posted by cblacker

EDIT: Also, you have to make the player a 'qualifying offer', which he has to reject, and another team must sign the player as a free agent in order for you to get the compensation pick.

You can't do this in OOTP. The check mark is the QO.

[olivertheorem]

And not all arb players are comp-eligible. Very few are, anymore.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

And not all arb players are comp-eligible. Very few are, anymore.

Not sure what you mean. Only pending FA are compensation eligible. Even under the old rules.

[olivertheorem]

The OP didn't mention pending FA, only arb-eligible players. I was just making sure he understood that while comp-eligible players show as arb-eligible, not all arb-eligible players were also comp-eligible.

[Papi]

I guess that was my question, the FA eligible players. How does the game determine who is comp-eligible? I have had Cy Young winners, that were FA eligible, that I have offered arbitration to, they have declined and I got nothing in return.

In fact, since I started playing '14, I have not had one FA eligible player, who declined arbitration, reward me with a Compensation Pick. That's got to be covering 15 game years or so

[mpejkrm]

Originally Posted by Papi

I guess that was my question, the FA eligible players. How does the game determine who is comp-eligible? I have had Cy Young winners, that were FA eligible, that I have offered arbitration to, they have declined and I got nothing in return.

In fact, since I started playing '14, I have not had one FA eligible player, who declined arbitration, reward me with a Compensation Pick. That's got to be covering 15 game years or so

Well how good was the best one you offered and declined? Did they deserve a salary north of $12MM (assuming modern-day salaries)? That's usually when I say players getting comp. picks.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Papi

I guess that was my question, the FA eligible players. How does the game determine who is comp-eligible? I have had Cy Young winners, that were FA eligible, that I have offered arbitration to, they have declined and I got nothing in return.

In fact, since I started playing '14, I have not had one FA eligible player, who declined arbitration, reward me with a Compensation Pick. That's got to be covering 15 game years or so

There are few compensation eligible players under the new CBA. I suspect you may be thinking that all pending FA becase they are listed together may be comp eligible. The game does clearly indicate comp eligibility on the arb/FA screen and on the upcoming FA page under front office. There may be less than 10 in any year.

[cblacker]

As I understand it, this is the process for getting a compensation pick for a player under the new CBA:

1. Player becomes eligible for free agency

2. Team offers the player a preset "qualifying offer" that is determined by the rest of the salaries in the league. Last year in real life MLB this was ~ $13 million, but it will vary from year to year and likely slowly go up over time as salaries across the league increase. I'm not sure the exact process of making this offer in OOTP, but somewhere on the arbitration screen, I believe.

3. Player declines the team's offer and signs elsewhere during free agency. The team would then receive a compensation draft pick.

Note that under this system there is no limit as to how many or how few players are compensation-eligible. Essentially, it's up to the individual teams to determine if their own impending free agents are worth a $13 million dollar contract and then up to the rest of the league to determine whether signing that player is worth giving up a draft pick.

[Le Grande Orange]

One other chang of note to the real-life rules: the player has to have been with the club for the entire season. No longer can a club acquire a pending free agent during the regular season and then get compendation for him if he signs elsewhere after the season is over.

[Papi]

This is the pitcher. The season in question was after 2039. It wasn't his best year with me, but currently he is the highest paid pitcher in the game. Bear in mind I play 120 game seasons, so skew the numbers low. I guess I would have just assumed he would have been good enough to warrant a pick coming back.

Perhaps I just don't know the new comp rules all that well.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by cblacker

As I understand it, this is the process for getting a compensation pick for a player under the new CBA:

1. Player becomes eligible for free agency

2. Team offers the player a preset "qualifying offer" that is determined by the rest of the salaries in the league. Last year in real life MLB this was ~ $13 million, but it will vary from year to year and likely slowly go up over time as salaries across the league increase. I'm not sure the exact process of making this offer in OOTP, but somewhere on the arbitration screen, I believe.

3. Player declines the team's offer and signs elsewhere during free agency. The team would then receive a compensation draft pick.

Note that under this system there is no limit as to how many or how few players are compensation-eligible. Essentially, it's up to the individual teams to determine if their own impending free agents are worth a $13 million dollar contract and then up to the rest of the league to determine whether signing that player is worth giving up a draft pick.

AFAIK OOTP does a similar calculation ( something like avg of top 125 salaries) and enters that as a pseudo arbitration offer. Just like real life compensation eligibility stops when traded.

[cblacker]

Originally Posted by Papi

This is the pitcher. The season in question was after 2039. It wasn't his best year with me, but currently he is the highest paid pitcher in the game. Bear in mind I play 120 game seasons, so skew the numbers low. I guess I would have just assumed he would have been good enough to warrant a pick coming back.

Perhaps I just don't know the new comp rules all that well.

The league no longer determines whether a player is comp eligible. There are no formulas to figure out if a guy is Type A or Type B. It doesn't matter how much or how little money he made in the current season. He is only comp eligible if you offer him the 'qualifying offer' through arbitration, he declines, and then signs with another team. He also can't be a deadline deal pickup (don't know if he has to play with you for the whole season, or if there is some cutoff date earlier in the season).