When Will OOTP Sell Franchise Logic to SCEA or 2K Sports?

Living Lejuhnd · 07-09-2013, 10:00 AM

Wouldn't that be cool?

With nexgen consoles coming out with the abilities to do similar things to your modern day computer, wouldn't it be something if a game like OOTP could be integrated into MLB the Show so that us users get the best experience of both worlds. Incredible franchise control integrated with some good gameplay?

NateAndStuff · 07-09-2013, 10:08 AM

The Show is almost unplayable after I discovered OOTP. I still love Road to the Show and stuff but Franchise Mode is dead to me.

The Wolf · 07-09-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Living Lejuhnd

Wouldn't that be cool?

With nexgen consoles coming out with the abilities to do similar things to your modern day computer, wouldn't it be something if a game like OOTP could be integrated into MLB the Show so that us users get the best experience of both worlds. Incredible franchise control integrated with some good gameplay?

There are two different audiences for the two games, and the overlap between them is much smaller than you'd think.

Silent_Thunder · 07-09-2013, 11:06 AM

The problem with that is the same issue anytime on the Paradox forums suggests doing work with Creative Assembly. Paradox makes grand strategy games, while Creative Assembly makes games geared twords individual battles. People think that combinbing the two would make for a perfect game. But the problem is when you are allowed to take the individual events (battles, ballgames, etc) into your direct hands, this winds up being far more important than the upper level strategy (Interempire diplomacy, franchise management). The fact that they player has direct influence on the outcome. Its no longer about skill in management, and instead skill on playing the game itself.

Theres a reason these type of games are seperate, and while both can be enjoyable on their own, combining them would not be greater than the sum of their parts.

Sweed · 07-09-2013, 11:09 AM

The idea sounds good but.....

The last thing OOTP needs is a bunch of bean counting suits making any decisions about how this game is produced.

The Wolf · 07-09-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sweed

the idea sounds good but.....

The last thing ootp needs is a bunch of bean counting suits making any decisions about how this game is produced.

+1

Padreman · 07-09-2013, 11:51 AM

The game is great as it is

Raidergoo · 07-09-2013, 12:04 PM

A console game has to look good, and provide near-instant emotional reward. Neither of these things are OOTP.

ihatenames · 07-09-2013, 12:28 PM

Didn't baseball mogul do something like this about 10 years ago? I think it was Microsoft baseball where they leased out the sim engine. I think it was just for siming games.

David Watts · 07-09-2013, 12:30 PM

Hopefully the answer to this question involves pigs flying, hell freezing or maybe even the Cubs winning a world series.

Déjà Bru · 07-09-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

The idea sounds good but.....

The last thing OOTP needs is a bunch of bean counting suits making any decisions about how this game is produced.

You said it. I keep fearing that Microsoft will discover it and gobble it up.

I am more serious than you think. Not about the fate of OOTPB, of course (well, I hope). I'm serious about about what happens to a product, a company, a bunch of people when their small enterprise is absorbed by large corporate entities. It happens over and over again and the result usually sucks.

goroyals · 07-09-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent_Thunder

The problem with that is the same issue anytime on the Paradox forums suggests doing work with Creative Assembly. Paradox makes grand strategy games, while Creative Assembly makes games geared twords individual battles. People think that combinbing the two would make for a perfect game. But the problem is when you are allowed to take the individual events (battles, ballgames, etc) into your direct hands, this winds up being far more important than the upper level strategy (Interempire diplomacy, franchise management). The fact that they player has direct influence on the outcome. Its no longer about skill in management, and instead skill on playing the game itself.

Theres a reason these type of games are seperate, and while both can be enjoyable on their own, combining them would not be greater than the sum of their parts.

Interesting take. You're saying that one type of game should focus on the tree and another set on the forest. I'm inclined to agree, especially when it comes to OOTP (if it ain't broke...), but I think there is a future in combining strategic and tactical level sims. It'd have to come down to user customization, where the customer would have the ability to control the strategical/tactical balance.

The Wolf · 07-09-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

You said it. I keep fearing that Microsoft will discover it and gobble it up.

I am more serious than you think. Not about the fate of OOTPB, of course (well, I hope). I'm serious about about what happens to a product, a company, a bunch of people when their small enterprise is absorbed by large corporate entities. It happens over and over again and the result usually sucks.

It always sucks.

LondonYankee · 07-09-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

The idea sounds good but.....

The last thing OOTP needs is a bunch of bean counting suits making any decisions about how this game is produced.

As a Football Manager player for 13 years I can confirm that for all the marketing good that came out of Sega's purchase of SI the end user has suffered. Having just discovered OOTP I hope they don't ever go that route!

Cryomaniac · 07-09-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

There are two different audiences for the two games, and the overlap between them is much smaller than you'd think.

I'm not sure players of The Show would complain if all that happened was that simmed game stats got more realistic.

Rizon · 07-09-2013, 05:08 PM

This was done with a program called The LINK.

Charlie Hough · 07-09-2013, 06:12 PM

In business, you never do this unless you're ultimately interested in selling your controlling interests to another party or otherwise want to initiate a merger and sell off your technology and assets.

'Selling the franchise logic' is an exit strategy and not a marketing, sales, or product development strategy.

The real answer is that OOTP is committed to adding graphics in the future and will continue to develop them thereafter. That's the sane and appropriate path toward a combination of a sim engine with a graphical gameplay experience.

Antonin · 07-09-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Living Lejuhnd

Wouldn't that be cool?

...Incredible franchise control integrated with some good gameplay?

I think OOTP already offers incredible franchise control integrated with good gameplay.

reds1869 · 07-09-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NateAndStuff

The Show is almost unplayable after I discovered OOTP. I still love Road to the Show and stuff but Franchise Mode is dead to me.

Agreed. I play Road to The Show constantly but don't even touch franchise mode any more. OOTP is so perfect for me that console franchise mode isn't fun any more.

Bowtie · 07-09-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonin

I think OOTP already offers incredible franchise control integrated with good gameplay.

+1. And it's only going to get better and better with time (along with some trial and error of course).

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NateAndStuff Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 231	The Show is almost unplayable after I discovered OOTP. I still love Road to the Show and stuff but Franchise Mode is dead to me.

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Silent_Thunder Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 235	The problem with that is the same issue anytime on the Paradox forums suggests doing work with Creative Assembly. Paradox makes grand strategy games, while Creative Assembly makes games geared twords individual battles. People think that combinbing the two would make for a perfect game. But the problem is when you are allowed to take the individual events (battles, ballgames, etc) into your direct hands, this winds up being far more important than the upper level strategy (Interempire diplomacy, franchise management). The fact that they player has direct influence on the outcome. Its no longer about skill in management, and instead skill on playing the game itself. Theres a reason these type of games are seperate, and while both can be enjoyable on their own, combining them would not be greater than the sum of their parts.

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Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,077	The idea sounds good but..... The last thing OOTP needs is a bunch of bean counting suits making any decisions about how this game is produced.

07-09-2013, 11:51 AM	#7
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	The game is great as it is

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Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	A console game has to look good, and provide near-instant emotional reward. Neither of these things are OOTP.

07-09-2013, 06:12 PM	#17
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	In business, you never do this unless you're ultimately interested in selling your controlling interests to another party or otherwise want to initiate a merger and sell off your technology and assets. 'Selling the franchise logic' is an exit strategy and not a marketing, sales, or product development strategy. The real answer is that OOTP is committed to adding graphics in the future and will continue to develop them thereafter. That's the sane and appropriate path toward a combination of a sim engine with a graphical gameplay experience.