As a historical simmer...

Carlton · 06-17-2013, 04:08 PM

I see no reason to purchase OOTP 14 by the marketing snippets, seems it is going even more towards fictional modern leagues (not a bad thing by any means)

Can anyone convince me why it simulates baseball history better than 13?

(edit should be as AN historical simmer)

Elysian Fields · 06-17-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

I see no reason to purchase OOTP 14 by the marketing snippets, seems it is going even more towards fictional modern leagues (not a bad thing by any means)

Can anyone convince me why it simulates baseball history better than 13?

(edit should be as AN historical simmer)

I think a is grammatically correct. I'm no expert though. An goes with words that start with a vowel, I believe.

... I play historical games as well, but I couldn't tell you if isn't better than past versions for a historical sim. It looks similar to 13 to me.

thehef · 06-17-2013, 05:31 PM

I don't think there was much that was geared towards historical simming. But there may be a couple of overall fixes that could be deemed important enough to the individual gamer. For example, I seem to remember that there was a fix to where pinch-hitters in the #9 spot (hitting for the pitcher) would no longer hit very poorly, compared to pinch-hitters in other spots... And perhaps there was a fix to the issue of how the AI manager behaved with pitching changes, etc., when you simmed half innings as opposed to full innings (that might've been a fix in v13).

Not sure on these, but I'm sure a more-knowledgeable member will confirm/clarify.

mgoetze · 06-17-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysian Fields

I think a is grammatically correct. I'm no expert though. An goes with words that start with a vowel, I believe.

I think "an" is correct in British English, because they drop their aitches.

The Game · 06-17-2013, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlton

I see no reason to purchase OOTP 14 by the marketing snippets, seems it is going even more towards fictional modern leagues (not a bad thing by any means)

Can anyone convince me why it simulates baseball history better than 13?

(edit should be as AN historical simmer)

I have yet to buy 14 myself, but i want 14 specifically for historical not for fictional.
1. The fix of the pitching staff so that SP can be used as MR is huge prior to 1980. Having PH back in the game is also i am craving to use. And the #1 reason why i will lve historical with 14 is so i dont have to manually chnage logos & uniforms every year,. Dump Gambo's logos and Reds 1 uniforms along with No Pepper's in one folder and they change every year. I deleted both my History of the White Sox and my 1871-2010 league (started on 11) when I found out about the last option. I plan on getting 14 after the ASG discount goes away as I prefer to pay full price for OOTP. (maybe)

JohnHoward · 06-17-2013, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlton

I see no reason to purchase OOTP 14 by the marketing snippets, seems it is going even more towards fictional modern leagues (not a bad thing by any means)

Can anyone convince me why it simulates baseball history better than 13?

(edit should be as AN historical simmer)

I think it really depends on how you approach the historical replay. If you are more results-oriented and you don't want to play the games out or to micro-manage, then go with 14. the 'live play" and webcast features make it fun to watch the games and league unfold.

If you are not into the whole brevity thing (in the parlance of modern times), if you are very hands-on and detail oriented, looking at daily pitching match-ups, using real line-ups and transactions, micro-managing roster moves, etc. then for me 12 is actually the best platform. I play out all the games for my team, I look at almost every box score, and I have a real sense of gaining an historical baseball education.

Either will work great, 13 will also, just depends on how many levels you need to get where you are going, and which bells and whistles you want to see and hear.

Lukas Berger · 06-17-2013, 07:00 PM

Markus did make some adjustments to get the stats to look a little better. There should be a few less high end outlier seasons for homeruns, f.e. Some other tweaks too. Whether it's enough to buy the new version just for historical, I can't say. Probably not for most people.

Charlie Hough · 06-17-2013, 07:56 PM

Continued improvements to the handling of starters, rotations, and relief pitching roles help with historical games for previous decades.

The automatic updates of team logos and uniforms is also a nice touch, although you won't use the uniforms unless you're using historical Facegens. But the logo updates alone are a nice convenience.

Markus always tries to improve statistical accuracy for historical games as well, and that has always seemed to get better with each version.

Also, the ability to set expansion draft rules for protected players and auto-protection of players based on experience is also a big breakthrough. While this doesn't properly simulate the true complexity of expansion rules, which changed nearly every time a draft took place, it gives you better control to make the drafts a bit more realistic.

Carlton · 07-02-2013, 10:49 AM

Thank you everyone for their input

I do not see an issue with SP as MR in my replay...I make sure all my pitchers have the SP designation and assign them 1-4 (as of 1904) start highest rested, and put 4 pitchers in the MR spot, with the 1st and 2nd MR being put in the #1 and #1 SU and CL roles respectively and the #3 and #4 in the mopup roles with 2 of the pitchers also being in the spot starter roles at 25% and 15%

That way they get time and some starts so their final line usually looks like 25 games, 7 Games started for the year

I guess because I control all teams (due to player managers/coaches being traded way too often, even when on the no trade list) I don't see a problem

As for the logos, that's nice but I go through all the teams in December making small changes to imported rookies, so changing logos and uniforms is a 3 second thing

Guess I can hold off...but the changes you mentioned will come in handy when I turn over the reigns to the AI after WWII and managers and coaches for the most part are retired players

BaseballMan · 07-02-2013, 11:50 AM

I cant speak for others but if you use the as played schedules it seems like most players play preet close tovwhat they didin real life. Batting avg may be up or down by 20 but thats not too bad. If a pitcher won 21 games he seems to do almost the same.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 07-02-2013, 02:09 PM

The ability to set the standard number of pitchers and hitters on rosters is probably helpful to some extent in historical play, I would think.

The Wolf · 07-02-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

The ability to set the standard number of pitchers and hitters on rosters is probably helpful to some extent in historical play, I would think.

That may be the #1 historical improvement. It makes simulating early baseball much more accurate.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 07-02-2013, 04:20 PM

I do historical sims mostly, albeit with a few fictional minor league teams, or "what-if" scenarios with expansion teams that never happened (like my current one with the 1986-? Indianapolis Arrows). I'm still using OOTP11, since I found a used copy cheap about a year ago. When I get to 2010 or so, I'll probably just start up another scenario, like what if the St. Louis Browns never moved to Baltimore.

That's kind of the beauty of OOTP, really. You CAN update, but you don't HAVE to. I probably will eventually, but I'm in no hurry to at the moment.

DMN · 07-03-2013, 05:25 PM

Support Markus and his team by purchasing a new version every year or at least every other year so that the game can and will continue!

ThatSeventiesGuy · 07-03-2013, 06:13 PM

You gonna pay for it?

If I had the cash, I would, but seeing as I don't, you'll have to settle for me contributing stuff to the forums and spreading the OOTP gospel to people I know. That's supporting Markus, impoverished-guy style.

BaseballMan · 07-03-2013, 09:28 PM

Should someone contact Sally Struthers?

Gil Thorp · 07-03-2013, 10:07 PM

The ability to set the number pitchers and their roles on the roster is great for historical simmers. The automatic updates of unis and logos sealed it for me. I switched my historical leagues from real photos to the historical facegens and really like the results. As always, I expect each new version to include tweaks to the AI, game engine, and PBP that will make the game better and more enjoyable.

07-02-2013, 02:09 PM	#11
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07-02-2013, 04:20 PM	#13
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,429	I do historical sims mostly, albeit with a few fictional minor league teams, or "what-if" scenarios with expansion teams that never happened (like my current one with the 1986-? Indianapolis Arrows). I'm still using OOTP11, since I found a used copy cheap about a year ago. When I get to 2010 or so, I'll probably just start up another scenario, like what if the St. Louis Browns never moved to Baltimore. That's kind of the beauty of OOTP, really. You CAN update, but you don't HAVE to. I probably will eventually, but I'm in no hurry to at the moment. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

07-03-2013, 05:25 PM	#14
DMN Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 328	Support Markus and his team by purchasing a new version every year or at least every other year so that the game can and will continue! __________________ DMN FBA - Durham Bulls LOTG - Pittsburgh Pirates 1901 & 02 league Champs!

07-03-2013, 06:13 PM	#15
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,429	You gonna pay for it? If I had the cash, I would, but seeing as I don't, you'll have to settle for me contributing stuff to the forums and spreading the OOTP gospel to people I know. That's supporting Markus, impoverished-guy style. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

06-17-2013, 04:08 PM	#1
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	As a historical simmer... I see no reason to purchase OOTP 14 by the marketing snippets, seems it is going even more towards fictional modern leagues (not a bad thing by any means) Can anyone convince me why it simulates baseball history better than 13? (edit should be as AN historical simmer) __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

06-17-2013, 05:31 PM	#3
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	I don't think there was much that was geared towards historical simming. But there may be a couple of overall fixes that could be deemed important enough to the individual gamer. For example, I seem to remember that there was a fix to where pinch-hitters in the #9 spot (hitting for the pitcher) would no longer hit very poorly, compared to pinch-hitters in other spots... And perhaps there was a fix to the issue of how the AI manager behaved with pitching changes, etc., when you simmed half innings as opposed to full innings (that might've been a fix in v13). Not sure on these, but I'm sure a more-knowledgeable member will confirm/clarify.

06-17-2013, 07:00 PM	#7
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,161	Markus did make some adjustments to get the stats to look a little better. There should be a few less high end outlier seasons for homeruns, f.e. Some other tweaks too. Whether it's enough to buy the new version just for historical, I can't say. Probably not for most people.

06-17-2013, 07:56 PM	#8
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	Continued improvements to the handling of starters, rotations, and relief pitching roles help with historical games for previous decades. The automatic updates of team logos and uniforms is also a nice touch, although you won't use the uniforms unless you're using historical Facegens. But the logo updates alone are a nice convenience. Markus always tries to improve statistical accuracy for historical games as well, and that has always seemed to get better with each version. Also, the ability to set expansion draft rules for protected players and auto-protection of players based on experience is also a big breakthrough. While this doesn't properly simulate the true complexity of expansion rules, which changed nearly every time a draft took place, it gives you better control to make the drafts a bit more realistic.

07-02-2013, 10:49 AM	#9
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Thank you everyone for their input I do not see an issue with SP as MR in my replay...I make sure all my pitchers have the SP designation and assign them 1-4 (as of 1904) start highest rested, and put 4 pitchers in the MR spot, with the 1st and 2nd MR being put in the #1 and #1 SU and CL roles respectively and the #3 and #4 in the mopup roles with 2 of the pitchers also being in the spot starter roles at 25% and 15% That way they get time and some starts so their final line usually looks like 25 games, 7 Games started for the year I guess because I control all teams (due to player managers/coaches being traded way too often, even when on the no trade list) I don't see a problem As for the logos, that's nice but I go through all the teams in December making small changes to imported rookies, so changing logos and uniforms is a 3 second thing Guess I can hold off...but the changes you mentioned will come in handy when I turn over the reigns to the AI after WWII and managers and coaches for the most part are retired players __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

07-02-2013, 11:50 AM	#10
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,641	I cant speak for others but if you use the as played schedules it seems like most players play preet close tovwhat they didin real life. Batting avg may be up or down by 20 but thats not too bad. If a pitcher won 21 games he seems to do almost the same.

07-03-2013, 09:28 PM	#16
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,641	Should someone contact Sally Struthers?

07-03-2013, 10:07 PM	#17
Gil Thorp Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milford Posts: 349	The ability to set the number pitchers and their roles on the roster is great for historical simmers. The automatic updates of unis and logos sealed it for me. I switched my historical leagues from real photos to the historical facegens and really like the results. As always, I expect each new version to include tweaks to the AI, game engine, and PBP that will make the game better and more enjoyable.