Question about 2-way player development

MrDov · 06-27-2013, 06:42 PM

On draft day I picked this 1B because I noticed his pitching stats. As a 1B he has 1-star potential. As a MR he has 4-star potential. I'm letting him be a 1B so start out, and am ready to switch him to MR if/when he sputters out as a 1B. Though I'm wondering if I let him play only as a 1B the next couple years, will he miss out on that development as a pitcher or will both his pitching and hitting develop equally even if he doesn't pitch?

mgoetze · 06-27-2013, 07:12 PM

I dunno about the development but in my world contact 10 is just not good enough for a 1B, while the pitching potential ratings have closer written all over them. Unless you have scouting on low or something I would probably not bother trying to make a 1B out of him.

Bluenoser · 06-27-2013, 08:17 PM

He'll only develop if he plays. In other words, if he doesn't pitch, then he won't develop his pitching talent.

You should seriously consider converting him to a closer.

Déjà Bru · 06-28-2013, 08:31 AM

Plus his infield defense ratings are terrible.

OBSL Commish · 06-28-2013, 08:56 AM

Try him out as a bullpen arm and utility bat. It can't hurt, and if he develops in both areas rather than just one, then you have a super-utility player. I've had a few of those guys in my fictional leagues. One of them, Guy Bannon, became a close-to-elite closer while also hitting eight to twelve HRs a year as a pinch hitter and part time fielder.

Painmantle · 06-28-2013, 09:07 AM

The quick answer your looking for is the areas that he uses will see more development than the areas he does not use. I don't claim to be an expert on this but my Ruth Dynasty taught me a lot about using a player both ways and while the 1920's era isn't really comparable to the modern day because of fatigue and such, I am experimenting with using players both ways in the modern era in a multi-player environment.

What I've found is it really needs to be hands on as much as possible. If your playing solo and can play out every game you will learn a lot more about the way using him as a Pitcher and fatigue recovery affects his offensive performance. Then you can apply that knowledge to other types of play that involve simulating games whether that be solo or in a multi-player setting.

Also let me note: In a simulating environment, If your not using 7-day lineups don't bother trying to do it. You need to have 99.9% control of when and where the guys plays. One thing that I do is from the very beginning I set him on a schedule. So on day 1 of the 7-day lineup screen he Pitches, Day 2 Rest, Day 3 rest, day 4 plays position, day 5 plays position, day 6 plays position day 7 rest...then the next 7 days the schedule repeats. The key here is having a day off before and after he pitches (Preferably 2 days after he pitches)

Things like natural days off can alter your schedule and they are your best friend because you really want to work his pitching appearances around the scheduled days off so you lose as little development time as possible in the field while the guy is recovering from pitching. so pitching them immediately before or after a scheduled day off is the ideal situation.

Also note this is a lot easier to do when using the player in a role as a Starter cause as a MR unless you're playing out the games it just doesn't really work out at all.

What I do is change the players position to SP (If it isn't that already) Put him in his slot on day one of the 7-day line up then drop him in the appropriate day replacing the position player of the position he will play.

My work with this is still in the beginning stages.

JMDurron · 06-28-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDov

On draft day I picked this 1B because I noticed his pitching stats. As a 1B he has 1-star potential. As a MR he has 4-star potential. I'm letting him be a 1B so start out, and am ready to switch him to MR if/when he sputters out as a 1B. Though I'm wondering if I let him play only as a 1B the next couple years, will he miss out on that development as a pitcher or will both his pitching and hitting develop equally even if he doesn't pitch?

I have one MLB pitcher and 2 prospect pitchers who have some significant potential as hitters. 1 of the 2 prospects was just drafted 2 game months ago, so I'm ignoring him for this post.

In the case of the MLB pitcher, he was a SP all the way through the minor leagues, and has only hit while playing interleague games at the MLB level. His offensive potential developed fully despite this. He currently projects (editor neutral environment projection) to have a 981 OPS as a batter despite getting exactly THREE minor league PAs.

The other example, my prospect pitcher, is in AAA. He has not fully developed as a pitcher yet, nor has he hit his full batting potential, but he is already a projected 868 OPS hitter despite a grand total of 6 minor league PAs.

Perhaps it hurts a player's pitching development to only play in the field, but I'm confident despite the small sample size here that it does not hurt a player's hitting development to play only as a pitcher. It's striking that my prospect's difference between his current and potential hitting ratings appear to be similar to between his current and potential pitching ratings. I think the development is happening concurrently due to "playing time", independently of what KIND of playing time is occurring.

Have to run out now, but I can post rating screenshots later if necessary.

06-27-2013, 06:42 PM	#1
MrDov Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 281	Question about 2-way player development On draft day I picked this 1B because I noticed his pitching stats. As a 1B he has 1-star potential. As a MR he has 4-star potential. I'm letting him be a 1B so start out, and am ready to switch him to MR if/when he sputters out as a 1B. Though I'm wondering if I let him play only as a 1B the next couple years, will he miss out on that development as a pitcher or will both his pitching and hitting develop equally even if he doesn't pitch? Attached Images

06-28-2013, 08:31 AM	#4
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,741	Plus his infield defense ratings are terrible. __________________ - Bru

06-28-2013, 09:07 AM	#6
Painmantle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greenfield ,IN Posts: 3,053	The quick answer your looking for is the areas that he uses will see more development than the areas he does not use. I don't claim to be an expert on this but my Ruth Dynasty taught me a lot about using a player both ways and while the 1920's era isn't really comparable to the modern day because of fatigue and such, I am experimenting with using players both ways in the modern era in a multi-player environment. What I've found is it really needs to be hands on as much as possible. If your playing solo and can play out every game you will learn a lot more about the way using him as a Pitcher and fatigue recovery affects his offensive performance. Then you can apply that knowledge to other types of play that involve simulating games whether that be solo or in a multi-player setting. Also let me note: In a simulating environment, If your not using 7-day lineups don't bother trying to do it. You need to have 99.9% control of when and where the guys plays. One thing that I do is from the very beginning I set him on a schedule. So on day 1 of the 7-day lineup screen he Pitches, Day 2 Rest, Day 3 rest, day 4 plays position, day 5 plays position, day 6 plays position day 7 rest...then the next 7 days the schedule repeats. The key here is having a day off before and after he pitches (Preferably 2 days after he pitches) Things like natural days off can alter your schedule and they are your best friend because you really want to work his pitching appearances around the scheduled days off so you lose as little development time as possible in the field while the guy is recovering from pitching. so pitching them immediately before or after a scheduled day off is the ideal situation. Also note this is a lot easier to do when using the player in a role as a Starter cause as a MR unless you're playing out the games it just doesn't really work out at all. What I do is change the players position to SP (If it isn't that already) Put him in his slot on day one of the 7-day line up then drop him in the appropriate day replacing the position player of the position he will play. My work with this is still in the beginning stages. __________________ “As soon as I got out there I felt a strange relationship with the pitcher's mound. It was as if I'd been born out there. Pitching just felt like the most natural thing in the world. Striking out batters was easy.” -Babe Ruth “Ruth made a grave mistake when he gave up pitching. Working once a week, he might have lasted a long time and become a great star.”-Tris Speaker My Dynasties The Beantown Bambino

06-27-2013, 07:12 PM	#2
mgoetze Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 205	I dunno about the development but in my world contact 10 is just not good enough for a 1B, while the pitching potential ratings have closer written all over them. Unless you have scouting on low or something I would probably not bother trying to make a 1B out of him.

06-27-2013, 08:17 PM	#3
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,495	He'll only develop if he plays. In other words, if he doesn't pitch, then he won't develop his pitching talent. You should seriously consider converting him to a closer.

06-28-2013, 08:56 AM	#5
OBSL Commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 945	Try him out as a bullpen arm and utility bat. It can't hurt, and if he develops in both areas rather than just one, then you have a super-utility player. I've had a few of those guys in my fictional leagues. One of them, Guy Bannon, became a close-to-elite closer while also hitting eight to twelve HRs a year as a pinch hitter and part time fielder.