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Under the new agreement they don't have to test positive if MLB can prove they took the drugs through other means.
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I think the players and the players association will flood MLB with lawsuits. It's doubtful in my mind that MLB could escape the charge that they set out to find evidence with the objective of finding guilt. They would have to have more than one source of documentation other than Anthony Bosch.
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They were taking a lot more than greenies in the 60's and 70's. And it's a bit disingenuous to compare amphetamines to energy drinks. If they were comparable, people would stop making and taking amphetamines.
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I merely trying to articulate a reason for why, in the post I responded to, a "blind eye" has been cast toward the historical use of amphetamines in baseball. Stimulants of varying potency, addictiveness and legality are still comparable; the word means "able to be compared" and they share something in common.
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With all due respect, the amphetamines taken by major league players are far more powerful than any energy drink available to the common public via legal means. Since 1971, amphetamines have been classified as a controlled substance in the U.S. and are completely illegal in many industrialized countries throughout the world.
As far as its standing in baseball, under a MLB policy established in 2007, a positive test result for amphetamine use will result in mandatory additional testing. A second offense triggers a 25-game suspension, and the punishment increases to 80 games for a third failed test. While the casual fan may not perceive amphetamine use in baseball to be as egregious as the abuse of steroids, the mere fact that MLB has chosen to adopt the policy highlighted above indicates that amphetamines are problematic. Moreover, there are some individuals within the game that believe that it is the crackdown on amphetamines – not steroids, that has impacted the declining offensive numbers in baseball. Last edited by bocage44; 06-10-2013 at 11:12 AM. |
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Yeah but saying those are sacred and can't be replaced would be like saying we all have to listen to Beethoven and Metallica's songs don't count.
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The 100 games is based on the basis of them calling proof of use through BioGenesis the "first offense" and then the players lying to them when they were asked about it a "second offense". So they are basically giving them the "second offense" suspension.
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Never going to happen. They might publicly embarrass certain players but lawsuits would fly if they try to backdoor 100 game suspensions.
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I mean, on the first point, you could argue that a decline in PED usage is related but a.) I don't actually believe that PED usage has declined much b.) the period of greatest offense in baseball history was the 1930's, when people were certainly taking uppers but weight lifting still had a massive stigma attached to it in regards to baseball and c.) the last dead ball era, 1962-1968, was in all likelihood the period where PED usage in baseball was at its all time peak as people were taking not only strong amphetamines but steroids that were designed for horses since no one really knew what the long-term consequences were. But yeah, every year since around 1890 or whenever the modern baseball rules were stabilized, the strikeout rate has increased at a pretty constant rate unless there was a massive outside influence affecting it. With strikeouts basically being the direct opposite of every other outcome possible, it's inevitable that offense is going to decline. 7 of the highest 8 K/9 rates in baseball occurred in the past 7 seasons. The 20 highest K/9 rates are also the last 20 seasons. Then you get some mid 60's dead ball years mixed in with some seasons from the 80's. (Edit: There's also the historical trend towards higher fielding percentages. 2013 being on pace to set the record once again. I'm not sure if defensive efficiency follows a similar trendline or not.)
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Not likely no, but but threatening 100 certainly makes 50 easier to swallow.
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I think with Rose/Fosse, people criticize Rose because it was an All Star Game and Rose played it like the game counted.
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Blocking the plate was a lot different in that era, too. In the 70's or 80's you had catchers who would stand halfway up the third base line and basically hug the guy running home while waiting for the throw, which doesn't happen anymore.
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More and more guys getting caught juicing its steroids era all over again they should jut lifetime banned them. Scare everyone from doing it
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