scheduling from 162 to 168

r0nster · 06-05-2013, 10:15 AM

I have had my schedule expansion say they going to 168 game season and yet I only end up playing 159 games. I tried to delete the event but it still comes up. I want to bring it back to 162 and keep it there.

The Game · 06-05-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

I have had my schedule expansion say they going to 168 game season and yet I only end up playing 159 games. I tried to delete the event but it still comes up. I want to bring it back to 162 and keep it there.

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r0nster · 06-05-2013, 06:28 PM

I do not see anything that tells me where I can bring it to 162 game schedule /..... It still says its a 168 game schedule where I only play 159 games ( you get several 3 days off in a row) .... I tried every option to change that but nothing doing but I am starting new season anyways

David Watts · 06-05-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

I do not see anything that tells me where I can bring it to 162 game schedule /..... It still says its a 168 game schedule where I only play 159 games ( you get several 3 days off in a row) .... I tried every option to change that but nothing doing but I am starting new season anyways

First off you must be in preseason to change your schedule. Go to league setup and select options. Right hand side right under the option for spring training and above the All star game and playoffs.....you will see the number of games in your schedule, the option for a balanced schedule and the option for inter league play. Change this from 168 to 162 and then make sure you regenerate a schedule.

Le Grande Orange · 06-05-2013, 09:53 PM

Sounds like you have league evolution enabled (which I think is the default). If you don't want the length of the schedule to change, then disable that option (or, alternatively, disable just the schedule length part of the league evolution choices).

RchW · 06-05-2013, 10:26 PM

League evolution should not be on by default. There must be 20 threads on this the last two versions.

Note to the OP, this is not a criticism of you posting. OOTP should set the default to off.

r0nster · 06-05-2013, 10:35 PM

thanks I will try that next season .... I like the evolution idea.... However when the game says it went from 162 to 168. What really happened was I went to 159 games while others went to a 156 game season. It did mess up the playoffs as well. But I didn't worry too much about it.

Eventually I will change schedule length when I add more teams to the game. Eventually also I might move a few teams out of cities they currently at. Although that be cool function to have where the city would do certain things to try to get team there and stuff. Then having the stadium built in 2 seasons.

I love this game and addicted to it and Have had OOTP since 2001 when it was called Season Ticket and bought the game at Best Buy.

Le Grande Orange · 06-05-2013, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

OOTP should set the default to off.

Agreed.

olivertheorem · 06-06-2013, 12:06 AM

Bigger problem in the OP (and a few others I've seen), is that when the game changes the length of the season it does a lousy job of generating a schedule to fit said length.

The Game · 06-06-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

League evolution should not be on by default. There must be 20 threads on this the last two versions.

Note to the OP, this is not a criticism of you posting. OOTP should set the default to off.

League Evolution is on by default in 13.

David Watts · 06-06-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

thanks I will try that next season .... I like the evolution idea.... However when the game says it went from 162 to 168. What really happened was I went to 159 games while others went to a 156 game season. It did mess up the playoffs as well. But I didn't worry too much about it.

Eventually I will change schedule length when I add more teams to the game. Eventually also I might move a few teams out of cities they currently at. Although that be cool function to have where the city would do certain things to try to get team there and stuff. Then having the stadium built in 2 seasons.

I love this game and addicted to it and Have had OOTP since 2001 when it was called Season Ticket and bought the game at Best Buy.

Does your league feature interleague play? If so, I'm guessing that's the reason you are seeing teams play 159 and 156 games. Evolution upped the number of games in the schedule, but without a proper schedule.

r0nster · 06-06-2013, 01:37 PM

Yes the game has interleague turned on.... I am in season 2016.. playing with origional settings

bwburke94 · 06-07-2013, 03:16 PM

OK, I need to explain why this is going on.

You had league evolution enabled, and it set the schedule length to 168 games. When the schedule length is changed, OOTP looks for the appropriate schedule file, in this case ILY_BGN_G168_SL1D1T5D2T5D3T5SL2D1T5D2T5D3T5.lsdl. However, it could not find that file as it does not exist, so OOTP generates its own schedule.

This is where the problem comes in: There are an odd number of teams in each subleague, and OOTP's schedule generator cannot schedule interleague games. As such, each team has a "bye" every fifteenth series instead of playing an interleague opponent like they do IRL. As a result, each team plays 168 * 14/15 games, which equals 156.8 games.

Now, a team obviously can't play 156.8 games. As OOTP's schedule generator generates only three-game series if the schedule length is a multiple of three, and 168 is a multiple of three, that means eight teams play 159 games and twenty-two teams play 156 games. This severely screws up the tiebreaking algorithm if two teams end up within a half-game - I've actually been in tiebreakers for a week when there shouldn't have been a tie to break!

The temporary fix for the next patch should be to disable schedule changes from league evolution if interleague play is enabled or a balanced schedule is disabled. The permanent fix for OOTP15 should be to fix the schedule generator so that it schedules interleague games and unbalanced schedules properly.

r0nster · 06-08-2013, 12:19 AM

thanks very much for that explaination

saltman · 09-13-2013, 05:10 PM

once the league evolution has changed, is it possible to switch back to a "normal" 162 schedule? I have been through one season of the "168" schedule, and during the subsequent offseason I turned off league evolution and switched it back to 162 games, with interleague and balance schedule ticked. but when the new schedule was generated in February, it was the same again - no interleague, 3 game gaps etc. also playing the same number of games against division opponents as non-div
is there any way of fixing this or is it too late now?
Thanks

The Game · 09-14-2013, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by saltman

once the league evolution has changed, is it possible to switch back to a "normal" 162 schedule? I have been through one season of the "168" schedule, and during the subsequent offseason I turned off league evolution and switched it back to 162 games, with interleague and balance schedule ticked. but when the new schedule was generated in February, it was the same again - no interleague, 3 game gaps etc. also playing the same number of games against division opponents as non-div
is there any way of fixing this or is it too late now?
Thanks

you have to manually re load the schedule. Either do this from League structure with 162 games in Rules or load a 162 game schedule.

Hockey13Playa · 09-14-2013, 02:25 PM

I realize this probably isn't the most appropriate place for this... but there are seriously so many threads and I cannot find ones that pertain exactly to what I want to ask as I am sure they are out there... maybe I just ask at using the search feature!

What I wanted to ask was... I started in the 2013 season with Opening Day rosters... when my first seaosn is over... when I start up 2014 are the schedules different? I'd like to use the MLB requirements for schedules as far as playing the appropriate amount of games vs division teams and what not but I don't want a carbon copy of my previous year...

Le Grande Orange · 09-14-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey13Playa

What I wanted to ask was... I started in the 2013 season with Opening Day rosters... when my first seaosn is over... when I start up 2014 are the schedules different? I'd like to use the MLB requirements for schedules as far as playing the appropriate amount of games vs division teams and what not but I don't want a carbon copy of my previous year...

What OOTP does with schedule files is that it swaps around teams within the match-ups to produce a new schedule. So you'll have have the same number of games on the same days, but the opponents will be different based on the swapping around OOTP does in the match-up 'slots'.

For example, let's say you have four teams in an East Division: Baltimore, Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. The opening day in the schedule called for just one game, Baltimore at Boston. In your second season, there'd still be only game on opening day, but the opponents will be any of the East Division teams. So the game might be Baltimore at New York, or it might be Boston at Philadelphia, or New York at Boston, etc. The teams are swapped with the schedule 'slot' match-ups around to produce a variety.

Hockey13Playa · 09-14-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

What OOTP does with schedule files is that it swaps around teams within the match-ups to produce a new schedule. So you'll have have the same number of games on the same days, but the opponents will be different based on the swapping around OOTP does in the match-up 'slots'.

For example, let's say you have four teams in an East Division: Baltimore, Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. The opening day in the schedule called for just one game, Baltimore at Boston. In your second season, there'd still be only game on opening day, but the opponents will be any of the East Division teams. So the game might be Baltimore at New York, or it might be Boston at Philadelphia, or New York at Boston, etc. The teams are swapped with the schedule 'slot' match-ups around to produce a variety.

Thanks for that response! I know there are mods for schedules out there... how easy are they to use and are they user friendly? I'd like to maybe generate a different schedule each year... oh and are they time consuming or something quick and relatively easy?

Le Grande Orange · 09-14-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey13Playa

Thanks for that response! I know there are mods for schedules out there... how easy are they to use and are they user friendly? I'd like to maybe generate a different schedule each year... oh and are they time consuming or something quick and relatively easy?

There's a huge number of custom schedule files available in the Schedules part of the Mods section. Here's a direct link to the first post in the thread containing them.

Importing them is straightforward enough, just be sure to do so though only during the off-season or pre-season period. Also, make sure your league parameters match what those specified for the schedule file, otherwise it won't import. The Schedules folder in your OOTP installation also contains quite a few schedule files as well.

You can open any schedule file in Notepad or Wordpad. The ".lsdl" extension is for OOTP's purposes—the file structure itself can be read by Notepad and Wordpad.

06-05-2013, 10:15 AM	#1
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	scheduling from 162 to 168 I have had my schedule expansion say they going to 168 game season and yet I only end up playing 159 games. I tried to delete the event but it still comes up. I want to bring it back to 162 and keep it there.

06-05-2013, 10:26 PM	#6
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	League evolution should not be on by default. There must be 20 threads on this the last two versions. Note to the OP, this is not a criticism of you posting. OOTP should set the default to off. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-05-2013, 06:28 PM	#3
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	I do not see anything that tells me where I can bring it to 162 game schedule /..... It still says its a 168 game schedule where I only play 159 games ( you get several 3 days off in a row) .... I tried every option to change that but nothing doing but I am starting new season anyways

06-05-2013, 09:53 PM	#5
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Sounds like you have league evolution enabled (which I think is the default). If you don't want the length of the schedule to change, then disable that option (or, alternatively, disable just the schedule length part of the league evolution choices).

06-05-2013, 10:35 PM	#7
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	thanks I will try that next season .... I like the evolution idea.... However when the game says it went from 162 to 168. What really happened was I went to 159 games while others went to a 156 game season. It did mess up the playoffs as well. But I didn't worry too much about it. Eventually I will change schedule length when I add more teams to the game. Eventually also I might move a few teams out of cities they currently at. Although that be cool function to have where the city would do certain things to try to get team there and stuff. Then having the stadium built in 2 seasons. I love this game and addicted to it and Have had OOTP since 2001 when it was called Season Ticket and bought the game at Best Buy.

06-06-2013, 12:06 AM	#9
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Bigger problem in the OP (and a few others I've seen), is that when the game changes the length of the season it does a lousy job of generating a schedule to fit said length.

06-06-2013, 01:37 PM	#12
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	Yes the game has interleague turned on.... I am in season 2016.. playing with origional settings

06-07-2013, 03:16 PM	#13
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,507	OK, I need to explain why this is going on. You had league evolution enabled, and it set the schedule length to 168 games. When the schedule length is changed, OOTP looks for the appropriate schedule file, in this case ILY_BGN_G168_SL1D1T5D2T5D3T5SL2D1T5D2T5D3T5.lsdl. However, it could not find that file as it does not exist, so OOTP generates its own schedule. This is where the problem comes in: There are an odd number of teams in each subleague, and OOTP's schedule generator cannot schedule interleague games. As such, each team has a "bye" every fifteenth series instead of playing an interleague opponent like they do IRL. As a result, each team plays 168 * 14/15 games, which equals 156.8 games. Now, a team obviously can't play 156.8 games. As OOTP's schedule generator generates only three-game series if the schedule length is a multiple of three, and 168 is a multiple of three, that means eight teams play 159 games and twenty-two teams play 156 games. This severely screws up the tiebreaking algorithm if two teams end up within a half-game - I've actually been in tiebreakers for a week when there shouldn't have been a tie to break! The temporary fix for the next patch should be to disable schedule changes from league evolution if interleague play is enabled or a balanced schedule is disabled. The permanent fix for OOTP15 should be to fix the schedule generator so that it schedules interleague games and unbalanced schedules properly.

06-08-2013, 12:19 AM	#14
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	thanks very much for that explaination

09-13-2013, 05:10 PM	#15
saltman Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3	once the league evolution has changed, is it possible to switch back to a "normal" 162 schedule? I have been through one season of the "168" schedule, and during the subsequent offseason I turned off league evolution and switched it back to 162 games, with interleague and balance schedule ticked. but when the new schedule was generated in February, it was the same again - no interleague, 3 game gaps etc. also playing the same number of games against division opponents as non-div is there any way of fixing this or is it too late now? Thanks

09-14-2013, 02:25 PM	#17
Hockey13Playa Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2,672	I realize this probably isn't the most appropriate place for this... but there are seriously so many threads and I cannot find ones that pertain exactly to what I want to ask as I am sure they are out there... maybe I just ask at using the search feature! What I wanted to ask was... I started in the 2013 season with Opening Day rosters... when my first seaosn is over... when I start up 2014 are the schedules different? I'd like to use the MLB requirements for schedules as far as playing the appropriate amount of games vs division teams and what not but I don't want a carbon copy of my previous year...