Does Attendance actually mean anything?

[Ts-Rock]

Ok so I'm in this online league and I've noticed something very odd going on. The team that is DEAD LAST in attendance through 45 gms (21 home gms) is 3rd in total gate revenue and 4th in merchandising sales!!!! how the hell does that make sense? Especially the gate revenue.

So my question is what effect if any does ticket pricing and attendance mean if it has ZERO effect on gate revenue and merch sales? Now, I know merch sales is probably more of a global team popularity thing, but one would thing that more fans in the stadium would = higher/better merch sales, but that doesn't seem to be the case either.

[TGH-Adfabre]

Need more info:
What are the ticket prices for the team?
What is the teams record/place in their division?
Fan Loyalty/Interest and Market size?

If the team is in first, with a high market size, loyalty and interest the ticket prices could be raised to a very high level in comparison to the rest of the league.

Less fans but possibly similar income.

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by TGH-Adfabre

Need more info:
What are the ticket prices for the team?
What is the teams record/place in their division?
Fan Loyalty/Interest and Market size?

If the team is in first, with a high market size, loyalty and interest the ticket prices could be raised to a very high level in comparison to the rest of the league.

Less fans but possibly similar income.

its an online lg. in online lgs you don't have access to view that info.

It is a long running successful team that is reigning WS team, but regardless of all that, if they are DEAD LAST in attendance than how can the gate revenue be 3rd in the lg!!!! Those two things HAVE to be hand and hand tied together. I mean attendance and gate are the same thing!!!

[Hendu Style]

Originally Posted by Ts-Rock

its an online lg. in online lgs you don't have access to view that info.

It is a long running successful team that is reigning WS team, but regardless of all that, if they are DEAD LAST in attendance than how can the gate revenue be 3rd in the lg!!!! Those two things HAVE to be hand and hand tied together. I mean attendance and gate are the same thing!!!

Not necessarily. Let's say they are last in attendance at 100,000 but their ticket price is $30. That's $3,000,000 in gate revenue. Let's then say the team that is third in attendance has had 300,000 fans but charges $10 per ticket. That is also $3,000,000 in gate.

Like the previous poster, I would be curious to find out what the ticket prices are.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Ts-Rock

its an online lg. in online lgs you don't have access to view that info.

It is a long running successful team that is reigning WS team, but regardless of all that, if they are DEAD LAST in attendance than how can the gate revenue be 3rd in the lg!!!! Those two things HAVE to be hand and hand tied together. I mean attendance and gate are the same thing!!!

Umm, yes that info is available to you in an online league.

Attendance and gate are not the same thing. Ticket prices can make a huge difference in that.

What are their ticket prices compared to other teams?

Loyalty and market size please.

You do have access to this info.

[Winnipeg59]

Could be a smaller capacity park requiring prices to be jacked. If it's regularly sold-out, just keep raising (supply/demand).

And, by the way, I don't believe you can see financial info, specifically the "team finances" page (for the ticket prices), of another team in an online league?? You can see their advanced page showing park capacity and attendance but not finances?

You can also no longer see the all "team finances" page under the League "Stats & Leaders" menu (which has been that way for 13 and 14 I believe) in online either.

If you've found another way though, I would love to know??

[Le Grande Orange]

I'm wondering more about the spread of attendance amongst the teams. There's a 10:1 ratio between the top and bottom drawing teams. You can find that spread in real life on occasion in minor leagues, but in the majors the ratio is usually closer to 4:1 or 5:1, and typically it's less than that.

It would be interesting to see the park capacities. Perhaps some of those poor-drawing teams are stuck in small parks.

[CBL-Commish]

Something weird going on here. If you divide gate revenue by attendance you get $6 a ticket for Havana, and $81 a ticket for Cape Canaveral. And right down the road Orlando is charging $4 a head. If I live between the Cape and Orlando I'm not going to the Cape unless that ticket includes free beer and hot women in every other seat.

Leagues I've seen have vastly smaller spreads in ticket prices. I think current MLB average ticket prices range from (roughly) $25-$60.

[Le Grande Orange]

Is gate sharing on? By default I think 20% of the gate receipts from any game is shared with the visiting team. That would affect the gate revenue reported by each club.

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Umm, yes that info is available to you in an online league.

Attendance and gate are not the same thing. Ticket prices can make a huge difference in that.

What are their ticket prices compared to other teams?

Loyalty and market size please.

You do have access to this info.

please share how and where this info is available.

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Is gate sharing on? By default I think 20% of the gate receipts from any game is shared with the visiting team. That would affect the gate revenue reported by each club.

gate is 50% sharing

Cape's park capacity is 59,000 which doesn't matter if he's only avg 6k a home game.

[Khan]

Well obviously ticket prices are affecting this, though that team is pretty extreme.

Anyway there are reverse instances of this too.

Amarillo is 2nd in attendance but 25th in gate..

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by Khan

Well obviously ticket prices are affecting this, though that team is pretty extreme.

Anyway there are reverse instances of this too.

Amarillo is 2nd in attendance but 25th in gate..

default ticket prices is $10 in this lg too.

and stadium size vary pretty good. Amarillo is 65k while some are in low to mid 40k

[Honorable_Pawn]

I remember a discussion that this is a known exploit. You can set the ticket prices to $1,000 and you will still draw a certain amount of fans. If this is the case then check the rules about maximum ticket price.

Could be something shady going on there.

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

I remember a discussion that this is a known exploit. You can set the ticket prices to $1,000 and you will still draw a certain amount of fans. If this is the case then check the rules about maximum ticket price.

Could be something shady going on there.

I would love to read this thread...u happen to have a quick link to it. i will do a forum search too

[mm7607]

Never mind, I don't want to steal the OPs thread.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Ts-Rock

I would love to read this thread...u happen to have a quick link to it. i will do a forum search too

A quick search revealed a thread from 2007 that seemed to indicate (at least with 85/100 fan interest) you'd draw something like 8-10% of capacity no matter where you set ticket prices. So with a 40k seat stadium and $1,000,000 ticket prices you'd make $42B per 81 home games. Except that the revenues variable was a 32-bit signed integer that would flip over to some huge negative number somewhere in the $2B range.

The thread neither confirmed nor denied that Markus fixed this six years ago.

[Ts-Rock]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

A quick search revealed a thread from 2007 that seemed to indicate (at least with 85/100 fan interest) you'd draw something like 8-10% of capacity no matter where you set ticket prices. So with a 40k seat stadium and $1,000,000 ticket prices you'd make $42B per 81 home games. Except that the revenues variable was a 32-bit signed integer that would flip over to some huge negative number somewhere in the $2B range.

The thread neither confirmed nor denied that Markus fixed this six years ago.

yea that is the one I found in search too and read last night. seems like that is still happening here despite that post being from 2007.