Title Bout question

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by Hanson Bros

Is their a way to turn them off to where you don't have to go in the fight options and unclick them every time?

Not that I've found.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

I never saw these issues, boxers seem to want to box more & sluggers slug. In a # of cases, even if they go for the KO, it doesn't mean they'll get it. In some cases it actually opens them up to getting dropped. Maybe I'd notice it more if I had a large # of unrealistic results. Not lately but @ times I have a # of fights that end due to cuts which I find more frustrating.

The computer never selects Protect cut as a strategy.

It definitely opens them up to getting stopped themselves, that's why Pernell Whitaker wouldn't be doing it with a 6 round lead.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

Happy to say, not for me - if I turned them off, I'm not sure my results would be more realistic.

Having fought thousands of fights both ways, I totally disagree. It's not so much the end result as it is the way the fight plays out and the propensity for slugging leads to more cuts and if don't protect them you get sooooooo many unsatisfying endings.

[pisdpaul]

Originally Posted by Cap

followed some years later by version 3.0!

Cap

Oh man, I hope its not years, I dont think my nerves will take it!

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

The computer never selects Protect cut as a strategy.

It definitely opens them up to getting stopped themselves, that's why Pernell Whitaker wouldn't be doing it with a 6 round lead.

yeah, that's true.

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

Having fought thousands of fights both ways, I totally disagree. It's not so much the end result as it is the way the fight plays out and the propensity for slugging leads to more cuts and if don't protect them you get sooooooo many unsatisfying endings.

OK, we can agree to disagree on this one because my favored fighters win more than not - to be expected but still have my upsets. Also to be expected so I doubt if I unchecked computer strats my results would become even more realistic. I also doubt I could tell the difference as slight as it might be.

[George Best]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

The computer never selects Protect cut as a strategy.

It definitely opens them up to getting stopped themselves, that's why Pernell Whitaker wouldn't be doing it with a 6 round lead.

I guess this is a really important point. Even not running that much sims I noticed a lot of cuts and out of it unsatisfactory situations / results.

So maybe results are not that different but the process of the fight could be more realistic (at least in certain points).

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

OK, we can agree to disagree on this one because my favored fighters win more than not - to be expected but still have my upsets. Also to be expected so I doubt if I unchecked computer strats my results would become even more realistic. I also doubt I could tell the difference as slight as it might be.

Whatever makes you enjoy your uni more is all good with me, but how can we disagree when you haven't used it both ways? I guarantee you could tell the difference, and it isn't slight.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by George Best

I guess this is a really important point. Even not running that much sims I noticed a lot of cuts and out of it unsatisfactory situations / results.

So maybe results are not that different but the process of the fight could be more realistic (at least in certain points).

Exactly, though there are far more unlikely upsets with strategies on. When you go all out for the KO it raises your hitting power and diminishes your opponents chin. So everybody is more prone to get stopped.

The cuts you can manage either way. You just have to protect it for the rest of the fight whether it's bleeding or not.

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

Whatever makes you enjoy your uni more is all good with me, but how can we disagree when you haven't used it both ways? I guarantee you could tell the difference, and it isn't slight.

How can it be any more than slight? If my results are so close to what I expect to happen now anyway, would I or anyone be able to notice the difference?

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

How can it be any more than slight? If my results are so close to what I expect to happen now anyway, would I or anyone be able to notice the difference?

How can you tell that you couldn't when you have never tried it?

If the end result is the only thing that matters to you it wouldn't be as great a difference as it is for the fighters to actually resemble how they fight in the ring. I'll also point out that getting the results you'd expect all the time from mythical fights between comparable fighters would be far from accurate. If not, you should quit your job and become a fight handicapper for a living.

I'm not trying to talk you into anything, by all means play the game however you want. When I switched from AI strategies to normal the realism change couldn't have been more drastic to me. I noticed it in my very first fight. That means less action at times, but a much more realistic depiction of Boxing.

How many 15 round KO's do you have? Seems like quite a few in your uni. I used to have last round stoppages constantly when both of them were slugging for so long that had nothing left.

[Cap]

I play with the boxes checked. I've been following boxing for more than a few decades and am a student of boxing history. Using version 2.0 I've had few "major" upsets in all this time and few 15th round stoppages. I don't see the problems here that others seem to be having. But maybe it's because I use the sim strictly as a manager not a cornerman. Maybe I have a weird copy of the game.

Version 2.6 is just around the corner, so we won't have to concern ourselves with any of this.

Cap

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

How can you tell that you couldn't when you have never tried it?

If the end result is the only thing that matters to you it wouldn't be as great a difference as it is for the fighters to actually resemble how they fight in the ring. I'll also point out that getting the results you'd expect all the time from mythical fights between comparable fighters would be far from accurate. If not, you should quit your job and become a fight handicapper for a living.

I'm not trying to talk you into anything, by all means play the game however you want. When I switched from AI strategies to normal the realism change couldn't have been more drastic to me. I noticed it in my very first fight. That means less action at times, but a much more realistic depiction of Boxing.

How many 15 round KO's do you have? Seems like quite a few in your uni. I used to have last round stoppages constantly when both of them were slugging for so long that had nothing left.

Can you provide any evidence of end results that are different since you've done so much of both?

Like examples of using the strats & getting this result & not using them lead to another result? I'd need more than guys going for KO's as your proof. It appears your focus is on what happens during the fight you find fake using strats.

If Cory Spinks was a KO puncher & Golovkin won most fights by decision, that would seem fake to me.

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by Cap

I play with the boxes checked. I've been following boxing for more than a few decades and am a student of boxing history. Using version 2.0 I've had few "major" upsets in all this time and few 15th round stoppages. I don't see the problems here that others seem to be having. But maybe it's because I use the sim strictly as a manager not a cornerman. Maybe I have a weird copy of the game.

Version 2.6 is just around the corner, so we won't have to concern ourselves with any of this.

Cap

I'm with you Cap!

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

How many 15 round KO's do you have? Seems like quite a few in your uni. I used to have last round stoppages constantly when both of them were slugging for so long that had nothing left.

I counted 5 but that's going back 2 years & 6 pages worth of fights. 1 of those was a cut stoppage but I blamed that on the ref. I'm not sure 2 1/2 a year is a lot but they were exciting endings.

St. Juste coming back to stop an exhausted Chavez via TKO is rare but that could happen.

Or Vargas knocking out Powell in the 15th makes sense because he had power & it was a close fight - his corner telling him to give it his all seemed realistic too.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

Can you provide any evidence of end results that are different since you've done so much of both?

Like examples of using the strats & getting this result & not using them lead to another result? I'd need more than guys going for KO's as your proof. It appears your focus is on what happens during the fight you find fake using strats.

If Cory Spinks was a KO puncher & Golovkin won most fights by decision, that would seem fake to me.

I haven't simmed a fight with AI strategy in a couple years and I definitely never will again. My memory is quite good, but specific results from TB fights that were probably one hundred thousand fights ago is something I can't provide.

As for proof, who needs it? A poster asked a question and I answered it. It's not an argument, I don't care how you play. If you're that interested,and would like a discussion, try it for yourself. This is like debating the decision of a fight with someone that never saw it.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by Cap

I play with the boxes checked. I've been following boxing for more than a few decades and am a student of boxing history. Using version 2.0 I've had few "major" upsets in all this time and few 15th round stoppages. I don't see the problems here that others seem to be having. But maybe it's because I use the sim strictly as a manager not a cornerman. Maybe I have a weird copy of the game.

Version 2.6 is just around the corner, so we won't have to concern ourselves with any of this.

Cap

It's probably just that you don't care what the fighters are doing as much as the end result. Good for you.

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

I haven't simmed a fight with AI strategy in a couple years and I definitely never will again. My memory is quite good, but specific results from TB fights that were a couple thousand fights ago is something I can't provide.

As for proof, who needs it? A poster asked a question and I answered it. It's not an argument, I don't care how you play. If you're that interested,and would like a discussion, try it for yourself. This is like debating the decision of a fight with someone that never saw it.

I answered his question as well. Regarding proof, I'd need it to change what I've been doing. I'm happy your uni works well for you but nothing you've written (concrete examples) provide me incentive to change what I'm doing in mine. And I'm not saying that was your intent.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by hamed2

I answered his question as well. Regarding proof, I'd need it to change what I've been doing. I'm happy your uni works well for you but nothing you've written (concrete examples) provide me incentive to change what I'm doing in mine. And I'm not saying that was your intent.

[PWillisTheMan]

I wouldn't type them out if I still had a log of the fights. I couldn't care less how you play. If a new player wants the most realistic depiction of Boxing the game can offer, they should turn off the strategies. Whether they do so or not is entirely up to them.