Playoff Roster Issues

drob5011 · 05-08-2013, 12:18 AM

I'm playing as the Reds. Votto, Phillips, and Bruce went down for about three weeks right before the playoffs began. I bring up Lutz, Donald, and Hamilton to fill their roster spots.

Playoffs come and the game says I only have 22 players who are eligible for the playoff roster. It says I may add one more player. I add Hamilton, but I'm still short a starting first basemen and second basemen.

There's no way that the rule is that I'm required to play two men short just because of my bad luck injury-wise, right?

It says "if a player is placed on the 60-day-DL since then or the 15-day-DL during the playoffs, he may be replaced by a player on the active roster."

My problem is none of the aforementioned players were injured for long enough to warrant a 60-day-DL trip. I'm hoping they can come back for the next round or World Series.

I don't know what to do. Any help?

drob5011 · 05-08-2013, 12:35 AM

Also, as a note:

when I try to add Donald for example, it says: either playoff roster is full (it is not), or, if player is an injury replacement, he must have been part of your organization before roster expansion.

If "part of your organization" means 40 man roster, he was. If it means 25 man roster, that makes no sense. I had no need for Donald at the time. Votto didn't go down until mid-Sept. Why would I have had Donald on my active roster?

Cras · 05-08-2013, 04:35 AM

from what you are saying, then all three of those guys should be eligable for the play-off roster.....I think sitting on the DL on Aug 31st counts as being on the big league club. And then if a guy on the big league club is injured after then is when you can then replace him on the playoff roster with anyone, that is the so called loop hole.

jmarsh123 · 05-08-2013, 07:00 AM

I'd report this in the bug thread if I were you as it is a problem and annoyance, but there is a work around. If the player is on the DL prior to roster expansion, everything works as it should.

If a player gets hurt in September though I've seen this problem. The trick is to not put the injured player on the DL right away. Wait until you have to set your playoff rosters. The injured player will appear on your roster. At that time, you can then put him on the 15 day DL (will occur retroactive to injury) and replace him on the roster.

reggie1977ws · 05-08-2013, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmarsh123

I'd report this in the bug thread if I were you as it is a problem and annoyance, but there is a work around. If the player is on the DL prior to roster expansion, everything works as it should.

If a player gets hurt in September though I've seen this problem. The trick is to not put the injured player on the DL right away. Wait until you have to set your playoff rosters. The injured player will appear on your roster. At that time, you can then put him on the 15 day DL (will occur retroactive to injury) and replace him on the roster.

Do the AI teams know about that work around? Otherwise, they would have no way to handle this bug happening to them.

Le Grande Orange · 05-08-2013, 12:13 PM

The real-life rules:

All players on the major league active roster and disabled list as of Aug. 31st are eligible for the post-season. So, for example, if you had 3 players on the DL, you'd have a total of 28 players eligible for the playoffs. Before the first playoff series you'd pick which 25 of those 28 you'd want to use for that series.

If at the time a post-season series is about to begin an eligible player is injured and unable to play, he can be replaced by any player in the club's organization provided he was with the organization on Aug. 31st through to the end of the regular season. If the named replacement is not on the 40-man roster, he'd have to be added to it before he could play (which in turn might necessitate removing another from it if the 40-man roster was full). There are some limitations on this: a player added to the 60-day DL after Aug. 1 is not eligible to be replaced, but a player transferred from the 15-day to the 60-day DL after Aug. 1st retains eligibility to be replaced. Also, a player placed on the 60-day DL prior to Aug. 1 must spend at least 60 days on the DL before he can be reactivated and used in the post-season.

Players injured during a playoff series can also be replaced. The conditions are much the same except that a pitcher must replace a pitcher or a position player must replace a position player. Furthermore, the player being replaced is ineligible to return for the rest of that playoff series and must also miss all of the next.

Note there is no 15-day DL during the post-season. Instead, clubs must certify to the commissioner's office that a player is injured and unable to play, after which it can name a replacement. There is no set minimum number of days that can be missed. Instead, a player replaced before a playoff series starts must miss all of that series before he can be reactivated. In the case of a player replaced during a series, he must miss the remainder of that series and all of the next before he can be reactivated.

OOTP more or less recreates these rules, though there are some differences. At present doesn't allow players injured during a series to be replaced, for example, and it continues to use the 15-day DL after the end of the regular season.

It could do a better job at it, but as I understand it there are some complications within the code at present which prevent some aspects from being mimicked.

jmarsh123 · 05-09-2013, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reggie1977ws

Do the AI teams know about that work around? Otherwise, they would have no way to handle this bug happening to them.

That I'm not sure of. Haven't checked in on AI during postseason rosters. This is often how it's done in real life too. Very few people are put on the DL in September. They just linger on the active roster even if they can't play for 2 weeks.

jar2574 · 05-11-2013, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmarsh123

I'd report this in the bug thread if I were you as it is a problem and annoyance, but there is a work around. If the player is on the DL prior to roster expansion, everything works as it should.

If a player gets hurt in September though I've seen this problem. The trick is to not put the injured player on the DL right away. Wait until you have to set your playoff rosters. The injured player will appear on your roster. At that time, you can then put him on the 15 day DL (will occur retroactive to injury) and replace him on the roster.

Yes, this workaround will work. I just had my #1 starter, my 3B, my 2B, and my CF go down in September but I waited to put them on the DL at the time the playoff roster was being set and was allowed to pick 4 replacements.

bschr682 · 05-11-2013, 09:59 AM

For the month of Sept, I never use the DL anymore. There's no point when the active roster goes to 40. Just call up his replacement and leave the injured guy on the bench. That avoids all the quirky problems that can come from OOTP's playoff roster rules.

05-08-2013, 04:35 AM	#3
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05-08-2013, 12:18 AM	#1
drob5011 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 11	Playoff Roster Issues I'm playing as the Reds. Votto, Phillips, and Bruce went down for about three weeks right before the playoffs began. I bring up Lutz, Donald, and Hamilton to fill their roster spots. Playoffs come and the game says I only have 22 players who are eligible for the playoff roster. It says I may add one more player. I add Hamilton, but I'm still short a starting first basemen and second basemen. There's no way that the rule is that I'm required to play two men short just because of my bad luck injury-wise, right? It says "if a player is placed on the 60-day-DL since then or the 15-day-DL during the playoffs, he may be replaced by a player on the active roster." My problem is none of the aforementioned players were injured for long enough to warrant a 60-day-DL trip. I'm hoping they can come back for the next round or World Series. I don't know what to do. Any help?

05-08-2013, 12:35 AM	#2
drob5011 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 11	Also, as a note: when I try to add Donald for example, it says: either playoff roster is full (it is not), or, if player is an injury replacement, he must have been part of your organization before roster expansion. If "part of your organization" means 40 man roster, he was. If it means 25 man roster, that makes no sense. I had no need for Donald at the time. Votto didn't go down until mid-Sept. Why would I have had Donald on my active roster?

05-08-2013, 07:00 AM	#4
jmarsh123 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 26	I'd report this in the bug thread if I were you as it is a problem and annoyance, but there is a work around. If the player is on the DL prior to roster expansion, everything works as it should. If a player gets hurt in September though I've seen this problem. The trick is to not put the injured player on the DL right away. Wait until you have to set your playoff rosters. The injured player will appear on your roster. At that time, you can then put him on the 15 day DL (will occur retroactive to injury) and replace him on the roster.

05-08-2013, 12:13 PM	#6
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	The real-life rules: All players on the major league active roster and disabled list as of Aug. 31st are eligible for the post-season. So, for example, if you had 3 players on the DL, you'd have a total of 28 players eligible for the playoffs. Before the first playoff series you'd pick which 25 of those 28 you'd want to use for that series. If at the time a post-season series is about to begin an eligible player is injured and unable to play, he can be replaced by any player in the club's organization provided he was with the organization on Aug. 31st through to the end of the regular season. If the named replacement is not on the 40-man roster, he'd have to be added to it before he could play (which in turn might necessitate removing another from it if the 40-man roster was full). There are some limitations on this: a player added to the 60-day DL after Aug. 1 is not eligible to be replaced, but a player transferred from the 15-day to the 60-day DL after Aug. 1st retains eligibility to be replaced. Also, a player placed on the 60-day DL prior to Aug. 1 must spend at least 60 days on the DL before he can be reactivated and used in the post-season. Players injured during a playoff series can also be replaced. The conditions are much the same except that a pitcher must replace a pitcher or a position player must replace a position player. Furthermore, the player being replaced is ineligible to return for the rest of that playoff series and must also miss all of the next. Note there is no 15-day DL during the post-season. Instead, clubs must certify to the commissioner's office that a player is injured and unable to play, after which it can name a replacement. There is no set minimum number of days that can be missed. Instead, a player replaced before a playoff series starts must miss all of that series before he can be reactivated. In the case of a player replaced during a series, he must miss the remainder of that series and all of the next before he can be reactivated. OOTP more or less recreates these rules, though there are some differences. At present doesn't allow players injured during a series to be replaced, for example, and it continues to use the 15-day DL after the end of the regular season. It could do a better job at it, but as I understand it there are some complications within the code at present which prevent some aspects from being mimicked.

05-11-2013, 09:59 AM	#9
bschr682 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 119	For the month of Sept, I never use the DL anymore. There's no point when the active roster goes to 40. Just call up his replacement and leave the injured guy on the bench. That avoids all the quirky problems that can come from OOTP's playoff roster rules.