Trainers?

pmd62ndst · 04-05-2002, 09:36 AM

I am willing to pay for a good trainer.

My 2016 A's were on their way to the playoffs and then my ENTIRE pitching staff was out for a month.

How about along with the Coaches and Scouts, we add a Trainer to the mix of the staff?

Just like Coaches and Scouts, Trainers will demand similar salaries, based upon their skills which will slightly alter a player's chances of getting hurt, and their ability to recover slowly or quickly.

Sounds Good? I could certainly use a BRILLIANT trainer right now.

DiMaggio5CF · 04-22-2002, 05:48 PM

I like that idea. A trainer could help your guys come off the DL faster, and he could help prevent injuries, and he could prevent small injuries from turning into big DL injuries.

It all depends on how good your trainer is.

And he can help improve guys' injury ratings. A guy who's prone on a team with a good trainer could turn into normal or even durable, depending on how good the trainer is.

HolyCow98 · 04-22-2002, 07:51 PM

I think thats a good idea, along the same line I think the pitching coaches should effect this too when it comes to the pitching staff. I picture the P-Coach making sure they are using proper mechanics and such.

J P Falcon · 04-23-2002, 05:42 AM

Trainers are an important part of soccer sims, not only for reducing the amount of injuries received, but also reducing the amount of time a player remains out of action. A brilliant trainer could knock a week or so off a six week injury. Let's hope it shows up in OOTP sometime in the future.

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henry296 · 04-23-2002, 07:49 AM

I am not in favor of trainers especially if there role is to reduce the frequency of injuries. I don't buy into the logic that who you hire as a trainer can significantly reduce the possibility of getting hurt. Perhaps a little bit on how the pitchers is used by the manager can impact injuries, like consistent high pitch counts but I don't think the Cubs trainer could have prevented Kerry Wood from hurting his elbow.

On the recovery side, I am not convinced that trainers are responsible for getting a player back quicker. If Ken Griffey is back in 3 weeks instead of 6 is that because of the trainer with specific exercises, that only he knows, or Junior's body repairing itself better or just a misdiagnosis of the severity of the injury.

Just me 2 cents for Markus.

Todd

Killebrew · 04-23-2002, 08:45 AM

I think trainers do help players a lot, but I am not sure if any one teams trainers are that much better or worse than another teams. Much of what they pass on comes from improved medical knowledge of how the body works and heals, and this info is available to (and presumebly used by) all trainers. That said, the trainers for the NHL Philadelphia Flyers might have been to blame for some of Eric Lindros medical woes, and I can't imagine Junior Griffey's trainer got a big raise over the last 2 years <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

Things have changed a lot in the last 25 years for player training & recovery programs, and I applaud the use of trainers in EHM & Champ Manager as hockey & soccer are more demanding sports physically than baseball. 20 minute leg workouts (like stationary bike) for hockey players after games is the norm in the NHL now, and though that is designed to increase player performamce, it would also help avoid injuries. Another example is from the Winter Olympics where many athletes used a version of an oxygen tent to get an edge in the high altitude. Many other relatively new training methods and tricks to maximize performance are commonly used these days. It would be very interesting to hear from anyone connected to a high-level baseball team that employs a trainer.

About trainers in OOTP - if used I hope they are not done like coaches/scouts, it's simply not interesting enough IMO. Baseball Moguls method of incorporating trainers & medical staff is very clever: You adjust your level of spending on medical/training staff, and the benefit you recieve is based on comparing how much you spent compared to the other teams in the league.

QSTGary · 05-04-2002, 05:18 PM

As a nationally certified athletic trainer they DO have a lot to do with recovery of injuries and to some extent on prevention. Of course we will never be able to prevent an ACL tear from a guy sliding into a base....but if properly conditioned, an athlete can greatly reduce the chance of injury (ham pulls, etc.)

As far as how good they are....it is the same as coaches, gm's, etc.....is there a difference between lets say Joe Torre and Davey Lopes??? I think so ...even though they are at the top level there is a huge difference trainer to trainer!

Sorry for the rant!!
By the way ....I was an assistant trainer for 5 1/2 yrs in the show...

04-05-2002, 09:36 AM	#1
pmd62ndst Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 20	Trainers? I am willing to pay for a good trainer. My 2016 A's were on their way to the playoffs and then my ENTIRE pitching staff was out for a month. How about along with the Coaches and Scouts, we add a Trainer to the mix of the staff? Just like Coaches and Scouts, Trainers will demand similar salaries, based upon their skills which will slightly alter a player's chances of getting hurt, and their ability to recover slowly or quickly. Sounds Good? I could certainly use a BRILLIANT trainer right now.

04-22-2002, 07:51 PM	#3
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I think thats a good idea, along the same line I think the pitching coaches should effect this too when it comes to the pitching staff. I picture the P-Coach making sure they are using proper mechanics and such. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-23-2002, 08:45 AM	#6
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I think trainers do help players a lot, but I am not sure if any one teams trainers are that much better or worse than another teams. Much of what they pass on comes from improved medical knowledge of how the body works and heals, and this info is available to (and presumebly used by) all trainers. That said, the trainers for the NHL Philadelphia Flyers might have been to blame for some of Eric Lindros medical woes, and I can't imagine Junior Griffey's trainer got a big raise over the last 2 years <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . Things have changed a lot in the last 25 years for player training & recovery programs, and I applaud the use of trainers in EHM & Champ Manager as hockey & soccer are more demanding sports physically than baseball. 20 minute leg workouts (like stationary bike) for hockey players after games is the norm in the NHL now, and though that is designed to increase player performamce, it would also help avoid injuries. Another example is from the Winter Olympics where many athletes used a version of an oxygen tent to get an edge in the high altitude. Many other relatively new training methods and tricks to maximize performance are commonly used these days. It would be very interesting to hear from anyone connected to a high-level baseball team that employs a trainer. About trainers in OOTP - if used I hope they are not done like coaches/scouts, it's simply not interesting enough IMO. Baseball Moguls method of incorporating trainers & medical staff is very clever: You adjust your level of spending on medical/training staff, and the benefit you recieve is based on comparing how much you spent compared to the other teams in the league. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-22-2002, 05:48 PM	#2
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	I like that idea. A trainer could help your guys come off the DL faster, and he could help prevent injuries, and he could prevent small injuries from turning into big DL injuries. It all depends on how good your trainer is. And he can help improve guys' injury ratings. A guy who's prone on a team with a good trainer could turn into normal or even durable, depending on how good the trainer is.

04-23-2002, 05:42 AM	#4
J P Falcon Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 406	Trainers are an important part of soccer sims, not only for reducing the amount of injuries received, but also reducing the amount of time a player remains out of action. A brilliant trainer could knock a week or so off a six week injury. Let's hope it shows up in OOTP sometime in the future. <small>[ 04-23-2002, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: J P Falcon ]</small>

04-23-2002, 07:49 AM	#5
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	I am not in favor of trainers especially if there role is to reduce the frequency of injuries. I don't buy into the logic that who you hire as a trainer can significantly reduce the possibility of getting hurt. Perhaps a little bit on how the pitchers is used by the manager can impact injuries, like consistent high pitch counts but I don't think the Cubs trainer could have prevented Kerry Wood from hurting his elbow. On the recovery side, I am not convinced that trainers are responsible for getting a player back quicker. If Ken Griffey is back in 3 weeks instead of 6 is that because of the trainer with specific exercises, that only he knows, or Junior's body repairing itself better or just a misdiagnosis of the severity of the injury. Just me 2 cents for Markus. Todd

05-04-2002, 05:18 PM	#7
QSTGary Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 18	As a nationally certified athletic trainer they DO have a lot to do with recovery of injuries and to some extent on prevention. Of course we will never be able to prevent an ACL tear from a guy sliding into a base....but if properly conditioned, an athlete can greatly reduce the chance of injury (ham pulls, etc.) As far as how good they are....it is the same as coaches, gm's, etc.....is there a difference between lets say Joe Torre and Davey Lopes??? I think so ...even though they are at the top level there is a huge difference trainer to trainer! Sorry for the rant!! By the way ....I was an assistant trainer for 5 1/2 yrs in the show...