Career Ending Injuries - Page 3

phightin · 04-23-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jmolony3

IRL I'd the guy is leaving $100 million on the table he is not likely to retire. I'm thinking ARod. Perhaps it should model greedy aging veterans hanging around for a paycheck.

EXACTLY! People throwing the whole notion that CEIs happen all the time to star players wih large contracts clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's because no player in their right mind is going to walk away from 10s of millions of dollars in guaranteed money. Even players who aren't stars earning a ton will still give it a go because they don't want to lose out. IRL CEIs happen to guys in the mlb towards the end of their career.

snepp · 04-23-2013, 09:20 PM

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tcblcommish · 04-23-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phightin

EXACTLY! People throwing the whole notion that CEIs happen all the time to star players wih large contracts clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's because no player in their right mind is going to walk away from 10s of millions of dollars in guaranteed money. Even players who aren't stars earning a ton will still give it a go because they don't want to lose out. IRL CEIs happen to guys in the mlb towards the end of their career.

Haven't read anything in this thread that says that CEIs to star players with big contracts happen all the time. As far as players in baseball, that is a different story.

jmolony3 · 04-23-2013, 09:55 PM

I think it maybe that the stars are the ones you notice and remember.

OutfieldGrass · 04-24-2013, 05:27 AM

Well I have lost my first player to a career ending injury. Post concussion syndrome. My star CF Jackie Bradley Jr, who I traded the farm to acquire in the middle of the first season with my Seattle Mariners. I've thought about editing it and letting him stick around but that seems unfair and too easy.

FoosballWizard · 04-24-2013, 10:26 AM

4th season of my first league in OOTP ever. My star outfielder - Post Concussion Syndrome.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

TLB1975 · 04-24-2013, 11:25 AM

My problem withe the CEI's isn't the frequency but how it is handled. It's far too static. Guy get's injured and it's labeled a CEI vs being out for 12 months, trying to come back, and failing to ever make it. Only in extreme cases, like Dave Dravecky, does the career end immediately.

And this is my issue with how injuries in general are handled in OOTP. Just too static. And they have come along way over the last 3-4 versions but there's still room to improve.

hefalumps · 04-24-2013, 12:17 PM

I've been playing my historical alternate universe (starting in 1970) since OOTP9 and imported it all the way through, and I've had a couple of heartbreaking CEIs to real-life hall of famers in their early years - Greg Maddux, Paul Molitor, Roy Halladay. As much as it pained me, I kept pushing on without them.

That said, if it was a league I had just started and hadn't built up any history, I'd definitely consider a do-over.

As for how OOTP does CEIs, I do wish they were handled a bit differently. In my particular universe I don't have a problem with the frequency really, but so few CEIs in real life are so concrete. As a previous poster stated, usually they try to rehab for several years unsuccessfully and then eventually retire. But on the other hand, you do have the guys like Albert Belle or Adam Loewen who had a condition where there was literally nothing they could do to keep playing baseball (except for Loewen who is still trying to re-invent himself as an outfielder).

OOTP does model the former situation somewhat. I had Chris Carpenter on my team, rated as a #2/borderline ace, and he got two long-term injuries two years in a row. Near the end of the second one, I suddenly noticed that his rankings were in the toilet and he was no longer projected as a starter, only a reliever. Fortunately he had a vesting option for the following year which he didn't meet, so he became a free agent and retired in the offseason. And I have seen some players with lengthy injuries suffer one or two setbacks that eventually result in a CEI.

But everyone here talking about people with lucrative years remaining on their contracts not retiring because of a CEI have a valid point - maybe that's something Markus could address in a patch. Unless someone loses a body part or is paralyzed due to an injury, if they're still in their 20s and have lots of years and dollars on their contract, they're going to try to come back. The logic could be a little more lenient for a player in their upper 30s or 40s with only a year or so remaining on their contract.

ihatenames · 04-24-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TLB1975

My problem withe the CEI's isn't the frequency but how it is handled. It's far too static. Guy get's injured and it's labeled a CEI vs being out for 12 months, trying to come back, and failing to ever make it. Only in extreme cases, like Dave Dravecky, does the career end immediately.

And this is my issue with how injuries in general are handled in OOTP. Just too static. And they have come along way over the last 3-4 versions but there's still room to improve.

To be fair, most of the CEI I see are from "setbacks" to previous injuries. I only injury news stories from my own organization so maybe I don't see all of them.

TLB1975 · 04-24-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

To be fair, most of the CEI I see our from "setbacks" to previous injuries. I only injury news stories from my own organization so maybe I don't see all of them.

I see those as well and I think it speaks to the progress OOTP has made in dealing with injuries over the last few version. With that being said, I think there still is significant progress to be made.

And it's not just around CEI's but injuries as a whole. Take a player who's out for several weeks with a hamstring injury. Unless that player has a setback, there is no information on how he's doing. So as a manger/GM, I have no idea whether the injury is progressing or not. Has his ability to walk, run, throw(if an arm injury), improved or not? It's still very static. If a player is out with a sprained ankle, generally before he's fully healed, he'll be capable of playing but not at 100%. In OOTP, if an injury is labeled "out" from the beginning vs "day-to-Day", then it stays that way through the duration. It doesn't recognize or give me the option of playing him in a limited role and risking the consequences.

FlipCup · 04-24-2013, 10:07 PM

Another CEI, this time Michael Bourn...Guess what injury? Another Torn Labrum.

This is getting a little ridiculous.

04-23-2013, 09:20 PM	#42
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,793	nm Last edited by snepp; 04-23-2013 at 09:22 PM. Reason: nm

04-23-2013, 09:55 PM	#44
jmolony3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 190	Career Ending Injuries I think it maybe that the stars are the ones you notice and remember.

04-24-2013, 12:17 PM	#48
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,392	I've been playing my historical alternate universe (starting in 1970) since OOTP9 and imported it all the way through, and I've had a couple of heartbreaking CEIs to real-life hall of famers in their early years - Greg Maddux, Paul Molitor, Roy Halladay. As much as it pained me, I kept pushing on without them. That said, if it was a league I had just started and hadn't built up any history, I'd definitely consider a do-over. As for how OOTP does CEIs, I do wish they were handled a bit differently. In my particular universe I don't have a problem with the frequency really, but so few CEIs in real life are so concrete. As a previous poster stated, usually they try to rehab for several years unsuccessfully and then eventually retire. But on the other hand, you do have the guys like Albert Belle or Adam Loewen who had a condition where there was literally nothing they could do to keep playing baseball (except for Loewen who is still trying to re-invent himself as an outfielder). OOTP does model the former situation somewhat. I had Chris Carpenter on my team, rated as a #2/borderline ace, and he got two long-term injuries two years in a row. Near the end of the second one, I suddenly noticed that his rankings were in the toilet and he was no longer projected as a starter, only a reliever. Fortunately he had a vesting option for the following year which he didn't meet, so he became a free agent and retired in the offseason. And I have seen some players with lengthy injuries suffer one or two setbacks that eventually result in a CEI. But everyone here talking about people with lucrative years remaining on their contracts not retiring because of a CEI have a valid point - maybe that's something Markus could address in a patch. Unless someone loses a body part or is paralyzed due to an injury, if they're still in their 20s and have lots of years and dollars on their contract, they're going to try to come back. The logic could be a little more lenient for a player in their upper 30s or 40s with only a year or so remaining on their contract. Last edited by hefalumps; 04-24-2013 at 12:23 PM.

04-24-2013, 05:27 AM	#45
OutfieldGrass Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 141	Well I have lost my first player to a career ending injury. Post concussion syndrome. My star CF Jackie Bradley Jr, who I traded the farm to acquire in the middle of the first season with my Seattle Mariners. I've thought about editing it and letting him stick around but that seems unfair and too easy.

04-24-2013, 10:26 AM	#46
FoosballWizard Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 72	4th season of my first league in OOTP ever. My star outfielder - Post Concussion Syndrome. Goodnight, sweet prince.

04-24-2013, 11:25 AM	#47
TLB1975 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 371	My problem withe the CEI's isn't the frequency but how it is handled. It's far too static. Guy get's injured and it's labeled a CEI vs being out for 12 months, trying to come back, and failing to ever make it. Only in extreme cases, like Dave Dravecky, does the career end immediately. And this is my issue with how injuries in general are handled in OOTP. Just too static. And they have come along way over the last 3-4 versions but there's still room to improve.

04-24-2013, 10:07 PM	#51
FlipCup Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87	Another CEI, this time Michael Bourn...Guess what injury? Another Torn Labrum. This is getting a little ridiculous.