Career Ending Injuries - Page 2

OutfieldGrass · 04-23-2013, 12:37 AM

Bryce Harper suffered a CEI in the league I am playing right now. Fortunately I was not controlling the Nationals. I was a little interested why he wasn't starting the day we faced them though.

tcblcommish · 04-23-2013, 02:02 AM

I don't find there is too many of ten personally. I also like the fact that at any given moment, you could have to face the injury and it could be one of those players that you are hung up on, those are tough.

I had a guy in a fictional league in ootp 12, Rico Rodriguez had 289 wins I think or something like that and he got hurt. Toyed with the idea of magic healing but let him die off and inducted him into the hall of fame. Just another cool story of how things go in baseball or in any sport for that matter.

For those who think that there is too many, why do you think that? There is a lot of players in real life that have careers end prematurely. Though usually, they don't say I retire after that day but I don't think it's too many

Ts-Rock · 04-23-2013, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

I always getthem confued. Torn Labrum is the #1 injury in my league. Right now 11 players are out with a Torn Labrum. 4 retired due to it so far in 2003.

yep, it's a deadly injury. I've lost my top SP spec in my online league to torn labrum.

another deadly injury is the post-concussion syndrome, we have a 4-man body count in BSA due to that injury alone, 2 of them being top 25 bats, one looked to be a future HOF caliber player.

js1519 · 04-23-2013, 08:06 AM

Torn labrum and fractured ankle have taken out the leagues 2 best players in my fictional league the last 2 years in a row. One was reigning 3 time MVP while the other was batting champ 4 years running and both were under 30. Changed the whole landscape as both looked to be future record holders and HOFs. This game is crazy! I like the CEIs personally

CatKnight · 04-23-2013, 08:13 AM

I don't think there are too many: In my 16 team league last season I had 1 CEI.

If you look at Charlton's Chronology or any other reference, you'll find all sorts of cases of players who just didn't make it back, or died during the offseason, or were so badly hurt you knew right then and there it was over. 1 for 16 teams, call it 2-3 for 30 teams in a modern environment...that seems about right.

VanillaGorilla · 04-23-2013, 08:13 AM

There are way too many CEIs, IRL. I wish someone would fix that. It would be more realistic.

fsclb66 · 04-23-2013, 11:53 AM

just finishing up my first season of the mlb quickstart in 14 and lost 5 guys this year, evan scribner, jimmy rollins, martin prado, david dejesus, and bronson arroyo

DCG12 · 04-23-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fsclb66

just finishing up my first season of the mlb quickstart in 14 and lost 5 guys this year, evan scribner, jimmy rollins, martin prado, david dejesus, and bronson arroyo

You're saying that you lost 5 guys to CAREER ending injuries and not just season enders? If that is true I would think something is wrong with the MLB quickstart. I don't play with real players but I have a fictional league that is in its 34th year and league wide I can count on two hands the number of career ending injuries that have happened in those 34 years. I'm talking ML players who showed up in news stories or were on my team so that I noticed them. FWIW I have injuries set to OOTP (classic) normal.

klkitchens · 04-23-2013, 01:58 PM

All the more reason to never, ever, ever use real players... Fictional all the way!

Tony79 · 04-23-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fsclb66

just finishing up my first season of the mlb quickstart in 14 and lost 5 guys this year, evan scribner, jimmy rollins, martin prado, david dejesus, and bronson arroyo

Yep i've just had similar in an MLB quickstart. 6 'names' getting career ending injuries in first season. Only 1 was over 35 y/o. 3 were all to post concussion syndrome. And that's with injuries set to normal instead of realistic(high).

I'm having to go into commissioner mode and undo them all as they come along just for the game not feel ruined.

rpriske · 04-23-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by klkitchens

All the more reason to never, ever, ever use real players... Fictional all the way!

What does one thing have to do with the other?

CommishJoe · 04-23-2013, 03:49 PM

I lost 2 OFers (starting CFer then the guy who replaced him) in the same year to CEIs. I don't remember what the first one was, but the 2nd was a concussion. I'm in my 5th year and those were the only CEIs that I've run into on my team so far.

I will admit to editing injuries that happened a few days before playoffs were supposed to start because I was too lazy to bench my best players for the last series of the year

. Bottom line, it's your league so do whatever is the most fun for you.

Spritze · 04-23-2013, 03:58 PM

This is where you can change the minimum and maximum length of injuries (and name), whether career ending or not. Junk like that.

Just edit it to what you want and then re-import it from the first game setup screen.

flubug31 · 04-23-2013, 04:43 PM

There's a word for a 20-year-old star position player's career being ended by a torn labrum: that word is "stupid." Monumentally stupid. Even if it compromised his ability to throw with any strength whatsoever -- a wildly implausible scenario -- he'd simply play first base. Hell, if he were rendered completely incapable of throwing, and thus could not play the field at all -- now we're in the realm of pure fantasy -- he'd carve out a Travis Hafner-like existence. Most likely, he'd play through it and have surgery in the off-season, if so required. Absolute worst-case scenario, he resembles a late-model Shawn Green.

There should of course be old players who decide it isn't worth the effort to rehab an injury for the sake of playing one last season, and players who become fringe talents and eventually quit after an attempted comeback yields poor results, but career-ending injuries as the game defines them should only happen once in a blue moon, because honest-to-goodness career-ending injuries -- Juan Encarnacion-type stuff -- actually only happen once in a blue moon. It's best to zero out the fourth column in the injury file -- save, perhaps, skull fracture -- and go about one's business, I say.

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Originally Posted by Tony79

Yep i've just had similar in an MLB quickstart. 6 'names' getting career ending injuries in first season. Only 1 was over 35 y/o. 3 were all to post concussion syndrome. And that's with injuries set to normal instead of realistic(high).

I believe post-concussion syndrome's default frequency was set to 3, while regular old concussion with no lingering effects was set to 1. Should almost certainly be the other way around.

Thundercrack · 04-23-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flubug31

There's a word for a 20-year-old star position player's career being ended by a torn labrum: that word is "stupid." Monumentally stupid. Even if it compromised his ability to throw with any strength whatsoever -- a wildly implausible scenario -- he'd simply play first base. Hell, if he were rendered completely incapable of throwing, and thus could not play the field at all -- now we're in the realm of pure fantasy -- he'd carve out a Travis Hafner-like existence. Most likely, he'd play through it and have surgery in the off-season, if so required. Absolute worst-case scenario, he resembles a late-model Shawn Green.

Absolutely. These career enders for star players in their prime is silly. If people like it, great, but there should be an in-game setting to adjust it, not having to go into the text file and tediously (I've done it) modify it every year.

fsclb66 · 04-23-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DCG12

You're saying that you lost 5 guys to CAREER ending injuries and not just season enders? If that is true I would think something is wrong with the MLB quickstart. I don't play with real players but I have a fictional league that is in its 34th year and league wide I can count on two hands the number of career ending injuries that have happened in those 34 years. I'm talking ML players who showed up in news stories or were on my team so that I noticed them. FWIW I have injuries set to OOTP (classic) normal.

Yup all 5 guys were career enders, rollins was a torn calf muscle, prado and dejusus were post concussion syndrome, scribner was ulnar nerve irritation, and arroyo was radial nerve compression. I went into commissioner and brought prado and dejuses back after the season, having guys retire due to a concussion just a few months after the injury doesnt make much sense to me

tcblcommish · 04-23-2013, 06:44 PM

Playing fictional I hardly eer see major players get CEI's at all. Some minor leaguers and a few here and there but nothing crazy. I wonder if there is some kind if big with the MLB QuickStart

Thundercrack · 04-23-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Playing fictional I hardly eer see major players get CEI's at all. Some minor leaguers and a few here and there but nothing crazy. I wonder if there is some kind if big with the MLB QuickStart

I saw a good number of them in fictional leagues in 13.

Sven Draconian · 04-23-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flubug31

There's a word for a 20-year-old star position player's career being ended by a torn labrum: that word is "stupid." Monumentally stupid. Even if it compromised his ability to throw with any strength whatsoever -- a wildly implausible scenario -- he'd simply play first base. Hell, if he were rendered completely incapable of throwing, and thus could not play the field at all -- now we're in the realm of pure fantasy -- he'd carve out a Travis Hafner-like existence. Most likely, he'd play through it and have surgery in the off-season, if so required. Absolute worst-case scenario, he resembles a late-model Shawn Green.

There should of course be old players who decide it isn't worth the effort to rehab an injury for the sake of playing one last season, and players who become fringe talents and eventually quit after an attempted comeback yields poor results, but career-ending injuries as the game defines them should only happen once in a blue moon, because honest-to-goodness career-ending injuries -- Juan Encarnacion-type stuff -- actually only happen once in a blue moon. It's best to zero out the fourth column in the injury file -- save, perhaps, skull fracture -- and go about one's business, I say.

I believe post-concussion syndrome's default frequency was set to 3, while regular old concussion with no lingering effects was set to 1. Should almost certainly be the other way around.

This.

Even if Harper tore his labrum and needed major surgery, he would still come back as a 1B/DH. Maybe he would be successful, maybe not, but the idea that one of the best hitting prospects in the last 15 years would just end his career because of a torn labrum is pretty silly.

jmolony3 · 04-23-2013, 08:57 PM

IRL I'd the guy is leaving $100 million on the table he is not likely to retire. I'm thinking ARod. Perhaps it should model greedy aging veterans hanging around for a paycheck.

04-23-2013, 02:02 AM	#22
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,438	Career Ending Injuries I don't find there is too many of ten personally. I also like the fact that at any given moment, you could have to face the injury and it could be one of those players that you are hung up on, those are tough. I had a guy in a fictional league in ootp 12, Rico Rodriguez had 289 wins I think or something like that and he got hurt. Toyed with the idea of magic healing but let him die off and inducted him into the hall of fame. Just another cool story of how things go in baseball or in any sport for that matter. For those who think that there is too many, why do you think that? There is a lot of players in real life that have careers end prematurely. Though usually, they don't say I retire after that day but I don't think it's too many

04-23-2013, 08:06 AM	#24
js1519 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 248	Yep Torn labrum and fractured ankle have taken out the leagues 2 best players in my fictional league the last 2 years in a row. One was reigning 3 time MVP while the other was batting champ 4 years running and both were under 30. Changed the whole landscape as both looked to be future record holders and HOFs. This game is crazy! I like the CEIs personally

04-23-2013, 01:58 PM	#29
klkitchens Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 222	All the more reason to never, ever, ever use real players... Fictional all the way! __________________ -----

04-23-2013, 03:49 PM	#32
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I lost 2 OFers (starting CFer then the guy who replaced him) in the same year to CEIs. I don't remember what the first one was, but the 2nd was a concussion. I'm in my 5th year and those were the only CEIs that I've run into on my team so far. I will admit to editing injuries that happened a few days before playoffs were supposed to start because I was too lazy to bench my best players for the last series of the year . Bottom line, it's your league so do whatever is the most fun for you. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

04-23-2013, 03:58 PM	#33
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	ootp14/database/injuries.txt This is where you can change the minimum and maximum length of injuries (and name), whether career ending or not. Junk like that. Just edit it to what you want and then re-import it from the first game setup screen. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

04-23-2013, 12:37 AM	#21
OutfieldGrass Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 141	Bryce Harper suffered a CEI in the league I am playing right now. Fortunately I was not controlling the Nationals. I was a little interested why he wasn't starting the day we faced them though.

04-23-2013, 08:13 AM	#25
CatKnight All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,199	I don't think there are too many: In my 16 team league last season I had 1 CEI. If you look at Charlton's Chronology or any other reference, you'll find all sorts of cases of players who just didn't make it back, or died during the offseason, or were so badly hurt you knew right then and there it was over. 1 for 16 teams, call it 2-3 for 30 teams in a modern environment...that seems about right.

04-23-2013, 08:13 AM	#26
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371	There are way too many CEIs, IRL. I wish someone would fix that. It would be more realistic.

04-23-2013, 11:53 AM	#27
fsclb66 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 92	just finishing up my first season of the mlb quickstart in 14 and lost 5 guys this year, evan scribner, jimmy rollins, martin prado, david dejesus, and bronson arroyo

04-23-2013, 06:44 PM	#37
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,438	Career Ending Injuries Playing fictional I hardly eer see major players get CEI's at all. Some minor leaguers and a few here and there but nothing crazy. I wonder if there is some kind if big with the MLB QuickStart

04-23-2013, 08:57 PM	#40
jmolony3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 190	Career Ending Injuries IRL I'd the guy is leaving $100 million on the table he is not likely to retire. I'm thinking ARod. Perhaps it should model greedy aging veterans hanging around for a paycheck.