Correct me if I'm wrong but...

olivertheorem · 04-19-2013, 10:38 PM

I just traded a 23-yo SP for a 27-yo MR after the trade deadline, but neither had to pass through waivers. The MR was on the Dodgers' 40-man. That shouldn't have happened, right?

endgame · 04-19-2013, 10:45 PM

Are you sure?

No, it shouldn't happen, and it didn't in numerous tests!

The player on the 40-man should have had to pass through waivers, provided there are no unusual settings or conditions. Can you upload your league file and post its name, and who was involved? I'd like to look into it, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.

RchW · 04-19-2013, 11:01 PM

There has to be a trade deadline established. It shows when you click play or in league events.

SetonHallPirate · 04-19-2013, 11:07 PM

Is it possible that he passed through waivers earlier in the season?

olivertheorem · 04-19-2013, 11:12 PM

SP Richard Rodriguez (Astros) for MR Scott Elbert (Dodgers).

Elbert had not passed through waivers that I can tell.

Trade deadline passed, got the news story and everything on 7/31. Trade was made on 8/3.

Will upload the league file momentarily. It will be called "Houston_Oliver".

olivertheorem · 04-19-2013, 11:39 PM

It's up.

endgame · 04-20-2013, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

SP Richard Rodriguez (Astros) for MR Scott Elbert (Dodgers).

Elbert had not passed through waivers that I can tell.

Trade deadline passed, got the news story and everything on 7/31. Trade was made on 8/3.

Will upload the league file momentarily. It will be called "Houston_Oliver".

Uh....help me out here, and no I haven't looked at your file yet, when was the trade deadline? Isn't it 7/31? If the trade was initiated at the deadline, that may be the exception, being treated as if it were pre-deadline.

At least according to your news date, that seems to be the case.

olivertheorem · 04-20-2013, 04:02 PM

Deadline was 7/31, and I didn't initiate the trade until 8/3. I hate waiting for a response so I always fiddle with them until I can find an acceptable trade that will work right then.

endgame · 04-20-2013, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

SP Richard Rodriguez (Astros) for MR Scott Elbert (Dodgers).

Elbert had not passed through waivers that I can tell.

Trade deadline passed, got the news story and everything on 7/31. Trade was made on 8/3.

Will upload the league file momentarily. It will be called "Houston_Oliver".

So you're talking about the Trade Deadline news story here?

olivertheorem · 04-20-2013, 04:07 PM

Yes.

endgame · 04-20-2013, 09:40 PM

Okay, the trade log refers to both players as minor league players, even though Elbert did have a ML contract. It doesn't mean he was on the 40-man. He may have been outrighted to the minor leagues, while retaining his contract.

I'll leave it in the bug reports. Not to second-guess you oli', but do you remember the player being on the 40-man pulldown when you initiated the trade? I tried to check all transactions, but none are being kept. We'll see if we can get to the bottom of it. All I can reiterate is there must be an explanation. I could not force this to happen during all the tests prior to the change.

(stop laughing pstrickert. I know I effectively said, "Cannot Reproduce")

olivertheorem · 04-20-2013, 09:49 PM

I suppose me thinking he was on the 40-man was due to the ML contract and him going into DFA when I got him. I guess I could be wrong on that point. I didn't see anything in Elbert's history showing he was waived or outrighted, but I don't know if those things show.

RchW · 04-20-2013, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

Okay, the trade log refers to both players as minor league players, even though Elbert did have a ML contract. It doesn't mean he was on the 40-man. He may have been outrighted to the minor leagues, while retaining his contract.

I'll leave it in the bug reports. Not to second-guess you oli', but do you remember the player being on the 40-man pulldown when you initiated the trade? I tried to check all transactions, but none are being kept. We'll see if we can get to the bottom of it. All I can reiterate is there must be an explanation. I could not force this to happen during all the tests prior to the change.

(stop laughing pstrickert. I know I effectively said, "Cannot Reproduce")

So that's a sterile vs a sterling response.

endgame · 04-20-2013, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I suppose me thinking he was on the 40-man was due to the ML contract and him going into DFA when I got him. I guess I could be wrong on that point. I didn't see anything in Elbert's history showing he was waived or outrighted, but I don't know if those things show.

No, they don't show in the player history, but would have in the All Transactions, would I have had them available. Regardless, thanks for keeping an eye on things and continuing to question. I'll keep guessing at the answers.

RchW: Have I ever been sterling?

RchW · 04-20-2013, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

No, they don't show in the player history, but would have in the All Transactions, would I have had them available. Regardless, thanks for keeping an eye on things and continuing to question. I'll keep guessing at the answers.

RchW: Have I ever been sterling?

No my friend you are always gold, never silver.

olivertheorem · 04-21-2013, 08:31 AM

I went looking in All Transactions, and sure enough Elbert was DFA'd on 7/17 and thus removed from the 40-man. No bug...well, not in the game anyway. Just in my head.

endgame · 04-21-2013, 08:36 AM

Thanks for the follow up. Much appreciated.

04-19-2013, 10:38 PM	#1
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Correct me if I'm wrong but... I just traded a 23-yo SP for a 27-yo MR after the trade deadline, but neither had to pass through waivers. The MR was on the Dodgers' 40-man. That shouldn't have happened, right?

04-19-2013, 10:45 PM	#2
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Are you sure? No, it shouldn't happen, and it didn't in numerous tests! The player on the 40-man should have had to pass through waivers, provided there are no unusual settings or conditions. Can you upload your league file and post its name, and who was involved? I'd like to look into it, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________ Last edited by endgame; 04-19-2013 at 10:58 PM.

04-19-2013, 11:01 PM	#3
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	There has to be a trade deadline established. It shows when you click play or in league events. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-20-2013, 09:40 PM	#11
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Okay, the trade log refers to both players as minor league players, even though Elbert did have a ML contract. It doesn't mean he was on the 40-man. He may have been outrighted to the minor leagues, while retaining his contract. I'll leave it in the bug reports. Not to second-guess you oli', but do you remember the player being on the 40-man pulldown when you initiated the trade? I tried to check all transactions, but none are being kept. We'll see if we can get to the bottom of it. All I can reiterate is there must be an explanation. I could not force this to happen during all the tests prior to the change. (stop laughing pstrickert. I know I effectively said, "Cannot Reproduce") Attached Images __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________ Last edited by endgame; 04-20-2013 at 09:41 PM.

04-21-2013, 08:36 AM	#17
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Thanks for the follow up. Much appreciated. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

04-19-2013, 11:07 PM	#4
SetonHallPirate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 205	Is it possible that he passed through waivers earlier in the season?

04-19-2013, 11:12 PM	#5
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	SP Richard Rodriguez (Astros) for MR Scott Elbert (Dodgers). Elbert had not passed through waivers that I can tell. Trade deadline passed, got the news story and everything on 7/31. Trade was made on 8/3. Will upload the league file momentarily. It will be called "Houston_Oliver".

04-19-2013, 11:39 PM	#6
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	It's up.

04-20-2013, 04:02 PM	#8
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Deadline was 7/31, and I didn't initiate the trade until 8/3. I hate waiting for a response so I always fiddle with them until I can find an acceptable trade that will work right then.

04-20-2013, 04:07 PM	#10
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Yes.

04-20-2013, 09:49 PM	#12
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I suppose me thinking he was on the 40-man was due to the ML contract and him going into DFA when I got him. I guess I could be wrong on that point. I didn't see anything in Elbert's history showing he was waived or outrighted, but I don't know if those things show.

04-21-2013, 08:31 AM	#16
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I went looking in All Transactions, and sure enough Elbert was DFA'd on 7/17 and thus removed from the 40-man. No bug...well, not in the game anyway. Just in my head.