Weird Career Batting Stats - I'm stumped!

[mikezone13]

I doubt this is a bug and more how I have set up my leagues, however I have run two fictional leagues with the following configuration and continue to see 100HR and 200+ RBI seasons plus other weird stats.

Can someone please review the below config and let me know what they think the issue might be, I'm really stumped

League Goal
My goal with this league is to create my own version of MLB and MiLB starting in 1968 and using 2012 strategy and PCM settings for every year.

League Structure
Major League: 32 teams, 162 game schedule
Minor Leagues: AAA, AA, A and 2 Rookie levels (total of 5 levels)
Start date: 1968
Roster limit: 25 for every except rookie set at 35
DH: Enabled in all leagues and at every level of minors

Free Agency Settings
As per a 2012/13 league

Progressing Options
All unticked except, 'import adjusted financials' - financials start in 1968 and adjust each year

New Players
32 international amateur FAs
9 international scouting discoveries per team
11 international established FAs

Draft
30 rounds
Generate players for 40 rounds

Strategy
Selected 2012 strategy with all PCMs and modifiers set at 1.000 and have stayed this way each year

The screenshots below are only from a 12 year sim, however I also have/had a 32 year sim (major league only) showing exactly the same type of anomalies.










I thought the issue may be related too many poor pitchers, however the below shows a pretty decent top level of pitchers.



Any thoughts or ideas on what to check much appreciated! Also if any more screenshots are required just ask and I'll put them up.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Something is fishy with your league totals. My guess is that it imported the 1968 totals but not the PCM as you manually set them to a different value. Please use the 2012 totals and then hit the "auto calc modifiers" next to it (only works in preseason).

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Something is fishy with your league totals. My guess is that it imported the 1968 totals but not the PCM as you manually set them to a different value. Please use the 2012 totals and then hit the "auto calc modifiers" next to it (only works in preseason).

Below are some pics of my strategy setup page, after I load my "world template", anything looking strange?

[mikezone13]

And here's my strategy page at the start of 1980... I haven't adjusted anything... thoughts?

[Sweed]

Auto-calc is your friend is included in the game for a reason. That is playing with everything at 1.000 for LTMs (league total modifers) is rarely going to work well as there are so many variables.

Rather than seeing individual performances I would find it better to look at your actual "League Totals". From your screenies your league's total batting averages look fine its the ERA, obviously, that is too high along with top players totally dominating with inflated BA, RBI etc. Where is the extra offense coming from? Of course extra HR but what else? Not enough double plays means more 3 run HR with those extra guys on base. Too many errors equals more baserunners. Etc. etc. etc.

Autocalc at end of spring training should bring all of these numbers in line with your "target numbers" in your league totals. I've never changed my LTMs from year to year as you are trying so not sure how well it all works but I would think you would have to do one of two things.

1. manually "auto-calc" your LTMs before each season
or
2. check the box to "automatically adjust league total modifiers after each season for accuracy" ( this is the one I've never done so while I can't see why it would cause any problems I can't say for sure. I would think it wouldn't be any different than doing it manually each ST)

If running multiple seasons in one setting without stopping is your way to play then #2 would have to be your choice. If you are stopping to review stats after each season you could do it either way.

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Auto-calc is your friend is included in the game for a reason. That is playing with everything at 1.000 for LTMs (league total modifers) is rarely going to work well as there are so many variables.

Rather than seeing individual performances I would find it better to look at your actual "League Totals". From your screenies your league's total batting averages look fine its the ERA, obviously, that is too high along with top players totally dominating with inflated BA, RBI etc. Where is the extra offense coming from? Of course extra HR but what else? Not enough double plays means more 3 run HR with those extra guys on base. Too many errors equals more baserunners. Etc. etc. etc.

Autocalc at end of spring training should bring all of these numbers in line with your "target numbers" in your league totals. I've never changed my LTMs from year to year as you are trying so not sure how well it all works but I would think you would have to do one of two things.

1. manually "auto-calc" your LTMs before each season
or
2. check the box to "automatically adjust league total modifiers after each season for accuracy" ( this is the one I've never done so while I can't see why it would cause any problems I can't say for sure. I would think it wouldn't be any different than doing it manually each ST)

If running multiple seasons in one setting without stopping is your way to play then #2 would have to be your choice. If you are stopping to review stats after each season you could do it either way.

Thanks for your reply, what I'm trying to do, and did in OOTP 13 successfuly, is have a league start in any year (e.g. 1968 or 1871) but always use the 2012 strategy settings so that every season ends up with total stats being similar to what would be expected of a "current day" league.

To do this in OOTP 13 I just set my financials to the year I wanted to start in (i.e 1968) and set my strategy settings to 2012 with all options set at 1.000 without ticking either of those "auto-calc" boxes.

I tried this in OOTP 14 and it didn't work (or I've set it wrong).

Is there a quick easy way for me to pull out the total stats from my league? Appreciate if you could let me know.

[NYY #23]

Your league totals are off. It looks like you started with 1968 league totals, and they've progressed to 1980 after 12 years. You'd want to set those to 2012 at the start. Go to preseason, change the year to 2012 in the drop down and run auto calc and sim a season and look at the results. They should be in line with what you are expecting.

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by NYY #23

Your league totals are off. It looks like you started with 1968 league totals, and they've progressed to 1980 after 12 years. You'd want to set those to 2012 at the start. Go to preseason, change the year to 2012 in the drop down and run auto calc and sim a season and look at the results. They should be in line with what you are expecting.

Thanks, that is exactly what I'm trying to do now... will let you know how it goes.

[mikezone13]

OK - I've noticed what happens, despite me setting all modifiers and league totals to 2012 values, somehow the league totals automatically default back to 1968 (the year I chose to start the league, and the year the financials are set for) levels sometime before the season starts.

Do you think this is a bug or am I still doing something wrong?

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by mikezone13

OK - I've noticed what happens, despite me setting all modifiers and league totals to 2012 values, somehow the league totals automatically default back to 1968 (the year I chose to start the league, and the year the financials are set for) levels sometime before the season starts.

Do you think this is a bug or am I still doing something wrong?

Uncheck the "automatically adjust league total modifiers after each season for accuracy". Otherwise the league will import the real life totals of the year automatically when advancing to the next season.

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Uncheck the "automatically adjust league total modifiers after each season for accuracy". Otherwise the league will import the real life totals of the year automatically when advancing to the next season.

I've never had this ticked/checked, so definitely not this that is happening.

As mentioned before, very easy to do this in OOTP 13, just set everything to 1.000 with 2011 totals and set my financials to whatever year I wanted to start in and I started from the first season getting results very similar to current day.

In OOTP14 it doesn't appear to be holding the year of 'league totals' imported... what is interesting is that the box on the League Setup > Strategy page keeps changing in the "Totals from year:" dropdown box, even the totals don't change on the screen and the "Auto adjust league totals" box is unchecked.

I'm thinking more and more this is a bug as I'm running more tests right now and the same thing is happening with basically a default MLB style fictional league, just changing dates, financials and strategy settings.

[Markus Heinsohn]

That is weird. The league totals only get changed if the auto-calc checkbox is ticked.

In that dropdown, when you select 2012, the right totals get applied, right? And when you sim to the next year, other totals are imported? Do you have the auto-adjust strategy option checked maybe?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Auto-calc is your friend is included in the game for a reason. That is playing with everything at 1.000 for LTMs (league total modifers) is rarely going to work well as there are so many variables.

Rather than seeing individual performances I would find it better to look at your actual "League Totals". From your screenies your league's total batting averages look fine its the ERA, obviously, that is too high along with top players totally dominating with inflated BA, RBI etc. Where is the extra offense coming from? Of course extra HR but what else? Not enough double plays means more 3 run HR with those extra guys on base. Too many errors equals more baserunners. Etc. etc. etc.

Autocalc at end of spring training should bring all of these numbers in line with your "target numbers" in your league totals. I've never changed my LTMs from year to year as you are trying so not sure how well it all works but I would think you would have to do one of two things.

1. manually "auto-calc" your LTMs before each season
or
2. check the box to "automatically adjust league total modifiers after each season for accuracy" ( this is the one I've never done so while I can't see why it would cause any problems I can't say for sure. I would think it wouldn't be any different than doing it manually each ST)

If running multiple seasons in one setting without stopping is your way to play then #2 would have to be your choice. If you are stopping to review stats after each season you could do it either way.

Do you know, if I have auto adjust league modifiers checked, do I need to run auto calc after my season? I was going to click on the 2012 season and then click auto calc, but I'm wondering if I need to?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by mikezone13

Thanks for your reply, what I'm trying to do, and did in OOTP 13 successfuly, is have a league start in any year (e.g. 1968 or 1871) but always use the 2012 strategy settings so that every season ends up with total stats being similar to what would be expected of a "current day" league.

To do this in OOTP 13 I just set my financials to the year I wanted to start in (i.e 1968) and set my strategy settings to 2012 with all options set at 1.000 without ticking either of those "auto-calc" boxes.

I tried this in OOTP 14 and it didn't work (or I've set it wrong).

Is there a quick easy way for me to pull out the total stats from my league? Appreciate if you could let me know.

Sorry, misunderstood what you were trying to do. I would try what NYY #23 suggested.

As far as pulling your actual league totals the only way, unless it changed in v14, is to manually add together your AL and NL totals. Only takes a couple of minutes.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Do you know, if I have auto adjust league modifiers checked, do I need to run auto calc after my season? I was going to click on the 2012 season and then click auto calc, but I'm wondering if I need to?

I have never used the auto adjust checked so don't know. Only brought it up as I thought it was the way to get the OP's issue fixed, though now I see I wasn't understanding exactly what he wanted to do.

I play slow enough that I check totals at the end of the year and use auto-calc manually if I think things need to be tweaked. Sorry.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I have never used the auto adjust checked so don't know. Only brought it up as I thought it was the way to get the OP's issue fixed, though now I see I wasn't understanding exactly what he wanted to do.

I play slow enough that I check totals at the end of the year and use auto-calc manually if I think things need to be tweaked. Sorry.

Thanks, no worries. I thought that took a look at your year end totals and adjusted them to fall in line with whatever year you had selected?

I remember Markus saying something about that - you select the year, say 2012 - then hit auto calc and it simulates 3 seasons in the background and adjusts them after it gets the results - by keeping that checked, it would just do that every season for you automatically?

Need to find that thread..

Found this from v12 update:

Automatically calculate league total modifiers so that the stats output match the league totals : Sounds complicated, but isn't. Imagine you want your league to match 1984 MLB, both in terms of strategy, finances and simulation results. The former two could already be attained in OOTP 11, but the stats output was again trial and error. Now I have added a function which lets you enter your desired league totals (= output), hit a button, and the game quick-simulates the season while adjusting the league total modifiers. The result is that your league will spit out league total stats that are within +/- 2% of the real stats. Oh by the way, this funtion is utilized for historical leagues automatically, resulting in the best historical simulation accuracy ever!

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That is weird. The league totals only get changed if the auto-calc checkbox is ticked.

In that dropdown, when you select 2012, the right totals get applied, right? And when you sim to the next year, other totals are imported? Do you have the auto-adjust strategy option checked maybe?

Hi Markus, no other totals don't get shown - the 2012 totals always show and all modifiers are set to 1.000, just the year changes in the dropdown box and I experience very weird results as you can see.

It appears to me the the totals are being changed "under the hood" and not visually in the totals fields. I can confirm auto-adjust strategy option is not checked.

[mikezone13]

Finally got it sorted... simmed to preseason in first year, set auto recalc and have run two seasons now with stats similar to what I'd expect in 2012.

Only 5 guys with 20 wins in 2 seasons, no 50HR hitters in two seasons and while one guy hit 156 RBIs in year 1, the best is 136 - looking like I just needed that extra step to recalc in year 1 that I didn't need when using OOTP 13.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by mikezone13

Finally got it sorted... simmed to preseason in first year, set auto recalc and have run two seasons now with stats similar to what I'd expect in 2012.

Only 5 guys with 20 wins in 2 seasons, no 50HR hitters in two seasons and while one guy hit 156 RBIs in year 1, the best is 136 - looking like I just needed that extra step to recalc in year 1 that I didn't need when using OOTP 13.

So you are using the AUTO RECALC option? (check mark in that box)

[mikezone13]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

So you are using the AUTO RECALC option? (check mark in that box)

I used auto recalc in the preseason of season 1, got good stats, then ran a 30+ year sim and unfortunately production numbers just dropped off, it looks like I need to redo this each year.

I don't understand how I am supposed to run a long term sim using 2012 strategies (every year) but starting earlier in the 1900's without doing the recalc each season (which defeats the purpose of a long term sim).

Obviously I could just start my universe in 2013 and be done with that, however I believe overall this is a bug as I should be able to set 2012 strategy in 1910 if I wanted to and then have every year use 2012 league totals without me having to intervene manually each pre-season.

Effectively I want to run a massive history sim and then review the league every 20 years, not intervene every season.