Test League: 25 years of stats, stats, and more stats (lots of screenshots included)

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by byzeil

Here are the same numbers as above from the OOTP13 version of the league

74 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
24 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
23 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
26 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

These numbers are much more like what I am looking for. From this data it looks like OOTP14 produces much better talent from International sources as compared to Feeder Leagues.

Originally Posted by byzeil

The league that I used for the comparison test is setup using Feeder Leagues. 1 Collkege, 1 Junior College and 1 High School league.

At the end of the 31 year sim in OOTP I have gone through the '100 Top Prospects', 'Top 20 Hitters', 'Top 20 Pitchers', and I checked the top 38 major leaguers (200 pa ranked by OPS+ for hitters and 80ip ranked by ERA+). This has show me something disturbing for my setup.

33 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
6 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
6 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
5 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

So the majority of the talent coming into the league is from International Sources, the Ammy draft is almost inconsequential.

Next I have to check the OOTP13 league for these same things and try to determine if it is my setup or something to do with OOTP14.

OK the below nuumber are from the 2nd run in OOTP14

I made the following changes

International Amateur FA reduced from DEFAULT(16) to FEW(8)
Independent league FA reduced from DEFAULT(3) to FEW(1)
established International FA reduced from MORE(10) to DEFAULT(5)

46 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
14 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
15 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
14 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

The numbers are better but still not to what I would want to see. I can only reduce the established International FA from DEFAULT to FEW, the other two are at their minimum settings.

I may have to look at altering my FEEDER league PCMs but I don't want to overdue that either. I want the league to be more dependent on the Draft.

[philliesphan26]

Originally Posted by byzeil

OK the below nuumber are from the 2nd run in OOTP14

I made the following changes

International Amateur FA reduced from DEFAULT(16) to FEW(8)
Independent league FA reduced from DEFAULT(3) to FEW(1)
established International FA reduced from MORE(10) to DEFAULT(5)

46 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
14 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
15 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
14 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

The numbers are better but still not to what I would want to see. I can only reduce the established International FA from DEFAULT to FEW, the other two are at their minimum settings.

I may have to look at altering my FEEDER league PCMs but I don't want to overdue that either. I want the league to be more dependent on the Draft.

FWIW, I think this is more of an issue with Feeders. I don't have feeders in this test league... I just checked the Top 100 prospects and 71 of the 100 players came through the amateur draft. Also, 23 of the 40 ML players from the Top 20 Hitters/Pitchers came from the amateur draft. That second number should maybe be a bit higher, but at least the prospects look good. One thing I noticed is that 60 of the 100 prospects were pitchers, which seems too high.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by byzeil

OK the below nuumber are from the 2nd run in OOTP14

I made the following changes

International Amateur FA reduced from DEFAULT(16) to FEW(8)
Independent league FA reduced from DEFAULT(3) to FEW(1)
established International FA reduced from MORE(10) to DEFAULT(5)

46 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
14 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
15 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
14 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

The numbers are better but still not to what I would want to see. I can only reduce the established International FA from DEFAULT to FEW, the other two are at their minimum settings.

I may have to look at altering my FEEDER league PCMs but I don't want to overdue that either. I want the league to be more dependent on the Draft.

I imported by v13 league again into v14. Once in 14 I deleted all of the players then populated all the teams with Fictional players so instead of the initial player pool being created in v13 it was created in v14

International Amateur FA FEW(8)
Independent league FA FEW(1)
established International FA DEFAULT(5)

60 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
14 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
23 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
23 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

Other than the Top 20 Hit and Pit (35%) the other 3 lists were 60% feeder/40% International. That is a lot better than my other tests.

By the way the league structure is 16 Team Major league, 5 minor league levels, Feeders (Col, JuCo, HS) starting in 2001 and a 31 year sim

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by philliesphan26

FWIW, I think this is more of an issue with Feeders. I don't have feeders in this test league... I just checked the Top 100 prospects and 71 of the 100 players came through the amateur draft. Also, 23 of the 40 ML players from the Top 20 Hitters/Pitchers came from the amateur draft. That second number should maybe be a bit higher, but at least the prospects look good. One thing I noticed is that 60 of the 100 prospects were pitchers, which seems too high.

It may very well be the Feeder League setup. My latest test, creating the players in v14, seemed to give better results than migrating them from v13.

Also here are the League Index and 'Season and Career Records' for this latest 31 year sim of my league (16 Team Major league, 5 minor league levels, Feeders (Col, JuCo, HS) starting in 2001).

League Index


Batting Season and Career Leaders


Pitching Season and Career Leaders

[cody8200]

Hey guys, on the beta team here. Markus is already looking at Feeders (he is using my league's test file). I noticed there was a problem with feeders shortly after the release so this is definitely a known issue. Thanks for the good data on this

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by cody8200

Hey guys, on the beta team here. Markus is already looking at Feeders (he is using my league's test file). I noticed there was a problem with feeders shortly after the release so this is definitely a known issue. Thanks for the good data on this

This is GREAT to hear....not that there is a problem of course....but that Marcus is looking at it.

What is the issue that you found?

[cody8200]

Feeder players are not being set up to have the same long term potential as the international players. So it leads to more international players making the bigs despite their being far more american /canadian players in professional ball. Most of the feeder players end their days in the minors, being consistently beaten out of a spot on the major league club by the higher potential international complex players.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by cody8200

Feeder players are not being set up to have the same long term potential as the international players. So it leads to more international players making the bigs despite their being far more american /canadian players in professional ball. Most of the feeder players end their days in the minors, being consistently beaten out of a spot on the major league club by the higher potential international complex players.

Ok thanks. That is what I'm seeing though you described it MUCH better.

[Dave Lister]

Ive been trying to run a fictional league populated only by players from a HS feeder league. Although Im creating more than enough players to fill up my league and minor leagues, Im only producing a small ammount of major league quality players.
When I start the game, the major league rosters look like a similar quality to ootp 13. Unfortunately, there are so few decent players emerging from the feeder league, that within 10-15 years the league is mostly full of players who should be struggling in the low minors. In the game that I'm currently running, Im noticing that well over half of the batsmen in my feeder league have a potential contact rating of under 15(out of 100.)

Ive ran at least 10 sample leagues now, and had the same results each time. It seems that colleges and HSs are pretty much unusable for me at the moment.

[Manny42]

Oh man I hope the feeder league problem gets fixed soon as I love my College and HS feeder leagues in 13, I've had them producing a nice amount to keep my league stocked with talent, hate to transfer the league over to only see it wrecked.

[greenrebellion]

So are feeder leagues currently unusable or are they only unusable if you have international players enabled?

[Dave Lister]

Originally Posted by greenrebellion

So are feeder leagues currently unusable or are they only unusable if you have international players enabled?

I have all international players disabled, I populate my league entirely from HS or college, and my feeder league only produces a fraction of the talent that it would have produced in ootp13.

[byzeil]

according to Marcus "this patch will tweak the player talent in feeder leagues, it was a bit low on default settings"

[byzeil]

Ok, results from first 31 year sim, after the 2nd patch, of OOTP13 league imported in OOT14 with the following settings...

Generate International Amater FA to few(8 per year)
Left International Scouting discoveries (per team)
Generate International Established FA to default (5 per year)
free against from indy leagues at few(1 per year)

OOTP14 (after 2nd patch)
67 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues, 43 Hitter/57 Pitchers
22 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
30 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
23 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders

compared to the same test before the 2nd patch
46 of Top 100 Prospects are from the Feeder Leagues
14 of the 40 ML Players from the Top 20 Hit and Pit are from Feeder Leagues
15 of the 38 Top ML hitters (by OPS+) are from Feeders
14 of the 38 Top ML Pitchers (by ERA+) are from Feeders


Definitely a big improvement.