Truly Independent Leagues?

RANGER11JP · 04-05-2013, 04:10 AM

So does this finally exist in 14?

JP

Cryomaniac · 04-05-2013, 07:39 AM

What do you mean by truly independent? Isn't one of the problems currently that all leagues have their own free agents pools?

CBL-Commish · 04-05-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RANGER11JP

So does this finally exist in 14?

JP

Do you mean indy leagues who interact with affiliated leagues mainly by selling players? And maybe with fairly strict limits on lengths of contracts?

Those are the main weaknesses with indy league implementation as I see it. I've had multiple indy leagues in my universe for years, and they sign free agents from the overall pool, they trade with other leagues when it's allowed in the setup, they mostly have small budgets (some downright microscopic), and in general they work well. If you ignore those first two things, that is. I do have cases where a guy will sign a 3-, 4-, 5-year deal with a team that's paying him $1500 a year. And you never have transactions where, say, the Blue Jays buy an indy league team's best pitcher for $50,000, as you do in real life.

drksd4848 · 04-05-2013, 02:47 PM

For what it's worth, I had a PM exchange with Markus about this. I sent him some links to indy leagues like the Can-Am and American associations, as well as sent him those leagues roster rules.

He told me he put it on the list! A little late for 14 but down the road... Point is, he's aware of it.

Some one should take him and crew to a CAN-AM league game when they visit the NYC this May... real baseball experience, affordable prices.

CobaltJays · 04-05-2013, 02:53 PM

In the past I've suggested that there should be an option permitting only minor league contracts for independent leagues. If that were possible, I think it would fix some of the oddities independent leagues currently create in the game.

RANGER11JP · 04-07-2013, 09:39 PM

Gentlemen,

I guess the correct response is:

ALL OF THE ABOVE

Thank you.

JP

Cras · 04-07-2013, 10:42 PM

limiting contract lengths has been something I wanted in this game going back to 2006. That would be a real nice feature, real nice.

koohead · 04-08-2013, 12:09 PM

Think adding the ability to set a max contract length (believe we already have average contract length) would help. for indys, set it to max of 1 year. And yes, would echo the desire to enable contract buyouts. That's all that's really missing for me to mimic independent leagues. I've already set finances really low for them so it's rare I find ML stars signing with an Indy team.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-08-2013, 02:05 PM

Yes, I am aware of this issue. And every year I want to make it happen, and every year time was too short

So, please keep bugging me about it, some day I'll fix the problems with indy leagues...

akw4572 · 04-08-2013, 02:46 PM

I would think limiting the length of contracts would require some serious recoding of the AI.

Dr. P.R. Park III · 04-10-2013, 12:00 AM

Every year I harass Markus about this; understandably so he always seems to not know what I'm talking about, so it's nice to see his previous comment.

Bottom-line: independent leagues in a loose context are currently possible, with creativity and imagination for sure. Truly independent leagues in the technical sense are probably a handful of versions away.

Whenever I play OOTP, I typically do so in a colossal and convoluted universe and only play within the indie leagues and occassionally international leagues. I've had a great time thus far with my WOB 13 universe; a lot of players that end up in the indies are college scabs or orphaned affiliated ball prospects, with the occassional cup of coffee MLB'er.

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RANGER11JP All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,364	Truly Independent Leagues? So does this finally exist in 14? JP __________________ BASEBALL, HOCKEY AND BOXING FAN

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	What do you mean by truly independent? Isn't one of the problems currently that all leagues have their own free agents pools? __________________ Last edited by Cryomaniac; 04-05-2013 at 07:40 AM.

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RANGER11JP All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,364	Independent leagues Gentlemen, I guess the correct response is: ALL OF THE ABOVE Thank you. JP __________________ BASEBALL, HOCKEY AND BOXING FAN

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Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	limiting contract lengths has been something I wanted in this game going back to 2006. That would be a real nice feature, real nice. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

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koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,211	Think adding the ability to set a max contract length (believe we already have average contract length) would help. for indys, set it to max of 1 year. And yes, would echo the desire to enable contract buyouts. That's all that's really missing for me to mimic independent leagues. I've already set finances really low for them so it's rare I find ML stars signing with an Indy team. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

04-05-2013, 02:47 PM	#4
drksd4848 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,891	For what it's worth, I had a PM exchange with Markus about this. I sent him some links to indy leagues like the Can-Am and American associations, as well as sent him those leagues roster rules. He told me he put it on the list! A little late for 14 but down the road... Point is, he's aware of it. Some one should take him and crew to a CAN-AM league game when they visit the NYC this May... real baseball experience, affordable prices.

04-05-2013, 02:53 PM	#5
CobaltJays All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 706	In the past I've suggested that there should be an option permitting only minor league contracts for independent leagues. If that were possible, I think it would fix some of the oddities independent leagues currently create in the game.

04-08-2013, 02:05 PM	#9
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Yes, I am aware of this issue. And every year I want to make it happen, and every year time was too short So, please keep bugging me about it, some day I'll fix the problems with indy leagues... __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

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akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	I would think limiting the length of contracts would require some serious recoding of the AI.

04-10-2013, 12:00 AM	#11
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	Every year I harass Markus about this; understandably so he always seems to not know what I'm talking about, so it's nice to see his previous comment. Bottom-line: independent leagues in a loose context are currently possible, with creativity and imagination for sure. Truly independent leagues in the technical sense are probably a handful of versions away. Whenever I play OOTP, I typically do so in a colossal and convoluted universe and only play within the indie leagues and occassionally international leagues. I've had a great time thus far with my WOB 13 universe; a lot of players that end up in the indies are college scabs or orphaned affiliated ball prospects, with the occassional cup of coffee MLB'er.