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JeffR · 06-24-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by GForce22
With Holyfield and Roy Jones unable to reach an agreement, Holyfield will apparently drop back down to Cruiserweight to fight James Toney later this year.

He's just fighting Toney, who happens to be a cruiserweight - he's not actually dropping down to the lower weight limit, is he? He was 220 against Chris Byrd, and that's a huge amount of weight for an athlete to lose, especially considering his age. Hell, I'm younger, bigger, and fatter than he is, and I'd have trouble dropping that much.

GForce22 · 06-24-2003, 08:46 PM

That part is unclear to me. Evander said he'd only fight for belts, but it's true, dropping 20+ pounds at his age would be hard, especially with the goal of putting it back on again to fight at heavyweight again. Would the IBF strip Toney for fighting Holyfield rather than a contender?

GH

GForce22 · 06-25-2003, 03:24 PM

I still don't know what the weight situation will be, but it will be a non-title fight with Toney. I still think Toney will dismantle Evander though.

GH

Wayne Reynolds · 06-25-2003, 04:34 PM

James Toney has some awesome skills.

Cap · 06-25-2003, 10:20 PM

Last I heard, Holyfield is not dropping down to 195. They may meet at some compromise weight. I don't know if I'd really want to see that. I'd like to see a rematch between Toney and Jirov. I'd like to see some of the lesser known heavies fight each other. I'd like to see Scott Ledoux and George Foreman duke it out for 3 rounds, then sit down to a pie-eating contest.

Cap

PittPanther · 06-26-2003, 12:15 AM

Yes, it's a shame that Jirov-Toney II isn't in the works. I would much rather see that fight.

andymac · 06-26-2003, 12:29 AM

Tyson vs. Jones Jr., who wouldn't pay to see this fight?

Just because anything could happen.

Wayne Reynolds · 06-26-2003, 02:24 AM

"I'd like to see Scott Ledoux and George Foreman duke it out for 3 rounds, then sit down to a pie-eating contest."

lol I'd love to see them fight as well. Whats the reason there won't be a rematch between Toney and Jirov?

sabotai · 06-26-2003, 07:56 PM

I'm hoping for a Jirov - Toney rematch too. I couldn't care less what Holyfield does.

ucclark · 06-27-2003, 12:22 PM

As I understand it, Holyfield and Toney will fight as heavyweights. Now, if Toney looks like he did against Jirov, and Holyfield looks like he did aainst Byrd, Toney will win with ease. But Toney can be frustratingly inconsistent, and Holyfield keeps seeming to find a way to take one more drink from the fountain of youth (see Bowe II, Tyson I, Lewis II, and Rahman).

Toney might very well show up fat and listless. This is a guy, remember, who once showed up for a title match, and wasn't even eligible for the title because of his love of donuts.

Of all the fighters I've ever seen, the idea of Toney in a fight where he isn't required to make weight worries me more than anyone else, with the possible exception of Roberto Duran. Toney could easily come rolling into the ring at 220 and get outworked. If he shows up in shape (or what passes for "in shape" for James Toney) he should win the fight.

I do not want to see a Toney-Jirov rematch. I had Jirov winning the fight until the last round, and I think his fight plan was solid, but I fear for the man's health. He simply has no regard for his own safety and no idea of how to defend himself. Toney's chin is to good for Jirov to end the fight early, which means 12 more rounds of brain cell death for the Tiger. It's kind of like Mickey Ward - I loved watching him fight, but I'm glad he has retired.

06-25-2003, 04:34 PM	#24
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	James Toney has some awesome skills. __________________ Wayne

06-25-2003, 10:20 PM	#25
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,049	Last I heard, Holyfield is not dropping down to 195. They may meet at some compromise weight. I don't know if I'd really want to see that. I'd like to see a rematch between Toney and Jirov. I'd like to see some of the lesser known heavies fight each other. I'd like to see Scott Ledoux and George Foreman duke it out for 3 rounds, then sit down to a pie-eating contest. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

06-26-2003, 12:15 AM	#26
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	Yes, it's a shame that Jirov-Toney II isn't in the works. I would much rather see that fight. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

06-26-2003, 12:29 AM	#27
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Tyson vs. Jones Jr., who wouldn't pay to see this fight? Just because anything could happen. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

06-26-2003, 02:24 AM	#28
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	"I'd like to see Scott Ledoux and George Foreman duke it out for 3 rounds, then sit down to a pie-eating contest." lol I'd love to see them fight as well. Whats the reason there won't be a rematch between Toney and Jirov? __________________ Wayne

06-24-2003, 08:46 PM	#22
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	That part is unclear to me. Evander said he'd only fight for belts, but it's true, dropping 20+ pounds at his age would be hard, especially with the goal of putting it back on again to fight at heavyweight again. Would the IBF strip Toney for fighting Holyfield rather than a contender? GH

06-25-2003, 03:24 PM	#23
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	I still don't know what the weight situation will be, but it will be a non-title fight with Toney. I still think Toney will dismantle Evander though. GH

06-26-2003, 07:56 PM	#29
sabotai All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 841	I'm hoping for a Jirov - Toney rematch too. I couldn't care less what Holyfield does.

06-27-2003, 12:22 PM	#30
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	As I understand it, Holyfield and Toney will fight as heavyweights. Now, if Toney looks like he did against Jirov, and Holyfield looks like he did aainst Byrd, Toney will win with ease. But Toney can be frustratingly inconsistent, and Holyfield keeps seeming to find a way to take one more drink from the fountain of youth (see Bowe II, Tyson I, Lewis II, and Rahman). Toney might very well show up fat and listless. This is a guy, remember, who once showed up for a title match, and wasn't even eligible for the title because of his love of donuts. Of all the fighters I've ever seen, the idea of Toney in a fight where he isn't required to make weight worries me more than anyone else, with the possible exception of Roberto Duran. Toney could easily come rolling into the ring at 220 and get outworked. If he shows up in shape (or what passes for "in shape" for James Toney) he should win the fight. I do not want to see a Toney-Jirov rematch. I had Jirov winning the fight until the last round, and I think his fight plan was solid, but I fear for the man's health. He simply has no regard for his own safety and no idea of how to defend himself. Toney's chin is to good for Jirov to end the fight early, which means 12 more rounds of brain cell death for the Tiger. It's kind of like Mickey Ward - I loved watching him fight, but I'm glad he has retired.