Nationality and the quality of the player.

[Jimayo]

I understand that you will have the system function so as to have a players skill level based on the nationality. So each nation will have a stat which decides what level of players they generally put out, correct?

Assuming so, you should have that stat be potentially variable. As in it can be increased or decreased by the quality of national development programs as well as the popularity of the sport in that country.

So, for example, if a national development program was instituted in GB, their quality rating would likely increase. Which would have a good shot at increasing fan interest, which would lead to higher quality players as well.

Likewise if hockey's popularity, for reasons impossible to imagine, plummeted in canada, they would start pumping out lower quality players.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Jimayo

I understand that you will have the system function so as to have a players skill level based on the nationality. So each nation will have a stat which decides what level of players they generally put out, correct?

Assuming so, you should have that stat be potentially variable. As in it can be increased or decreased by the quality of national development programs as well as the popularity of the sport in that country.

So, for example, if a national development program was instituted in GB, their quality rating would likely increase. Which would have a good shot at increasing fan interest, which would lead to higher quality players as well.

Likewise if hockey's popularity, for reasons impossible to imagine, plummeted in canada, they would start pumping out lower quality players.

It will likely be that the rating can simply be edited. Increasing the overall level of a nations hockey quality through pouring in money and resources is outside of the games scope.
The game is meant to simulate you as a GM of a single team. International management will likely be an option but even then it will probably be working with what you are given rather than trying to increase your nations level of quality.

There could be a possibility of random events having an effect on national quality or even a system whereby if you win international tournament then the quality is increased. But even this would have to be carefully considered or else you run the risk of turning the game into a farce.

But going back to my original statement. It is very likely that the rating can simply be edited if you wish to set up some kind of alternate world scenario.

[Jimayo]

I think you underestimate the influence a successful gm can have on a countries sports programs.

That being said, popularity is still a huge factor that should be considered. The more popular a sport is, the more kids play it, the bigger the talent pool to draw from, and the more likely to have high level players.

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by Jimayo

I think you underestimate the influence a successful gm can have on a countries sports programs.

That being said, popularity is still a huge factor that should be considered. The more popular a sport is, the more kids play it, the bigger the talent pool to draw from, and the more likely to have high level players.

I agree with you, i don't think Rudel see's the full scope of how a great GM can effect the city they are in.

Has anyone read the book Gretzky's Tears: Hockey, Canada and the day everything changed? The book goes into detail about how Wayne being traded to California has changed hockey in that state. LA games were sold out game after game and because of that it made it seem that California had a large market for hockey when that isn't really the case. So eventually in came the San Jose Sharks and Anaheim Mighty Ducks as new expansion teams. They struggled with a fanbase because the market just wasn't there as originally mislead to be. But more money has been put into minor league hockey because of the change.

There's actually been few players drafted in the last few years who were born from California recently - Do you really think that would of happened if The Great One was never traded? Hell, they probably would of never even played hockey. Do you think that we'd have more teams in California then we do in hockey starved Ontario? I hardly doubt it.

In the 60s the great GMs invested into minor leagues in their region and developed them so that they'd have them signed. That is how teams would be made and how GMs became great.

To have a top realistic hockey sim, i'd say that having a dynamic market and world is a big part in it and that is precisely what the op is asking for. I hope it will be in one day because this sort of feature is so real and a huge part of the sport if you think so or not.

I would love to see this in the first version, even if that means other features be left out. This is such an important aspect of sports that seems to be ignored far to much in text sims. It adds that extra layer of depth, realism, and most importantly, fun.

[Malte Schwarz]

Originally Posted by Jimayo

I understand that you will have the system function so as to have a players skill level based on the nationality. So each nation will have a stat which decides what level of players they generally put out, correct?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Jimayo

Assuming so, you should have that stat be potentially variable. As in it can be increased or decreased by the quality of national development programs as well as the popularity of the sport in that country.

The quality rating will change (slowly) during the game. This will above all depend on the nations success. For example, a very good and successful player from a low quality nation will have a positive influence on the rating.

[ElQuapo]

This feature would be great, but I think it is very important that it is not overdone.

Hockey is not like other sports in this regard, as climate, the number of rinks (money), equipment (money) etc. play a large role.

Nations should be able to climb a bit, like for example Denmark has become an established A-nation over the last 10-years, Switzerland has been able to compete a bit more with the Big-7, Slovakia has fallen a bit etc. etc.

But no matter what happens we can be 100% sure, that in 50 years Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland etc. will still be much much stronger than any of the nations currently ranked below the top 8. Nothing is going to change this. Denmark, Norway, Great Britain, Slovenia, Poland, Hungary etc. are not going to win a World Championship or the Olympics in the next 100 years. A nation currently outside the top 8 might steal a bronze-medal sometime way into the future, but that is about it IMHO.

[Jimayo]

Originally Posted by Malte Schwarz

Yes.



The quality rating will change (slowly) during the game. This will above all depend on the nations success. For example, a very good and successful player from a low quality nation will have a positive influence on the rating.

Nice. You guys are thinking big, I like it.

[dave1927p]

I'm going hijack this thread and make a request: Like to see "Nationalities of players" summary page in the league screen seen below to show the number of players and what country they are from in that league.

Kontinental Hockey League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say this would be great to have especially once international play gets added. It's really painfull having to count them in EHM.

To take it a step further it would be great to click on the number and all those players show up in a sortable list. Click the Slovakian 45 and sort by points. Love to see this added when International Tournaments gets added.

[pelchat22]

Does canada and quebec are two different nations? It would be nice to have french names for french canadian players.

Thx

[YZG]

Québec is supposed to have a distinct name set, so players from Québec will have appropriate names

[OpusTheFowl]

Originally Posted by pelchat22

Does canada and quebec are two different nations? It would be nice to have french names for french canadian players.

Thx

Can we then strip-out any french sounding names from the rest of Canada?

Please...keep your nationalistic BS politics out of here. It's a game...

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by OpusTheFowl

Can we then strip-out any french sounding names from the rest of Canada?

Please...keep your nationalistic BS politics out of here. It's a game...

If someone comes on here and asks if there will be Russian names for Russian players do you consider that nationalistic bs politics too?

The guy asked some legitimate questions.

[YZG]

Originally Posted by OpusTheFowl

Can we then strip-out any french sounding names from the rest of Canada?

Please...keep your nationalistic BS politics out of here. It's a game...

I'm not sure it was even stated this way out of nationalism. Remember, in EHM, there's one name set per nation and players generated in Quebec had whatever names the game gave them with what was in the single set (that was also true for other countries with more than one ethnicity, like Switzerland or Italy). Not quite realistic. The only way to have Quebec-born people bear French names would indeed to have it be a distinct nation.

[scuffleball]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

If someone comes on here and asks if there will be Russian names for Russian players do you consider that nationalistic bs politics too?

The guy asked some legitimate questions.

Yeah, I agree. I didn't see anything wrong with the question. I'd figured all along that there's be two separate naming files for Canada, given the languages.

[sizzlingpopcorn]

I'm French Canadian and was born in Ontario. I know Anglophones born in Quebec. Therefore making Quebec only French players and the rest of Canada English doesn't make sense.

[dave1927p]

OOTP i believe is the same way. We get way too many english canadians with full on french names or vise-versa. I'm sure there are mods to fix it but it's kinda annoying.

[flaquis010285]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

OOTP i believe is the same way. We get way too many english canadians with full on french names or vise-versa. I'm sure there are mods to fix it but it's kinda annoying.

Well, I'll put a pop music example: Avril Lavigne was born on Anglo-Canada (Ontario I guess)

[pelchat22]

Sorry but... I didn't asked for ONLY french names...and...Where do you see politics between the different forenames and surnames of Quebec and Ontario regions?

I am not crying for FREE QUEBEC...

Thats simply a question of identity...just look the QMJHL..yes there is some russian or english canadian names(recently a lot) but there is and there was a lot more french names.

Thx

[Tamahu]

Originally Posted by OpusTheFowl

Can we then strip-out any french sounding names from the rest of Canada?

Please...keep your nationalistic BS politics out of here. It's a game...

Come on...stay cool..this has nothing to do with politics...it is about creating a realist game.

Most people in Québec (about 80%) speak French...it makes sense that most (but not all) players from Québec have French names. Same thing about the rest of Canada, where most, but not all people, have English names.

I hope there will be 2 different name files so this situation is reflected correctly in the game.

Cheers !

[Cryomaniac]

Well, at least no-one's mentioned the Balkans or Israel yet...