FOR THE LOVE OF DOG: IRS% for relievers

[texasmame]

Since this seems to be the forum for this kinda stuff at this stage. . .


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http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d-request.html

Yes, boys and girls, it's that time again!

Please get the code monkeys to add this:

INHERITED RUNNERS SCORED PERCENTAGE STAT TRACKING FOR RELIEVERS!

I even used all caps this time!
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Was this finally addressed?

[statfreak]

I seem to recall the information is tracked and stored in OOTP, but not displayed in the basic stats view and HTML page.

I hope Markus has found a way to make it more visible again because this is something that, I think, most of us want to see.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by statfreak

I seem to recall the information is tracked and stored in OOTP, but not displayed in the basic stats view and HTML page.

I hope Markus has found a way to make it more visible again because this is something that, I think, most of us want to see.

Yes indeed. For pitchers, teams and leagues.

[philthepat]

This needs to happen

[BeancheBlanco]

it's a luck-based stat more than anything. It's proportional to how good the reliever is with obviously some luck thrown in. Show me a mediocre reliever who consistently keeps inherited runners from scoring.

This is especially true in OOTP. I highly doubt they have some code that makes certain pitchers better at keeping inherited runners from scoring. Therefore, showing the statistic would just give the player false info. That's probably why they don't show it.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

it's a luck-based stat more than anything. It's proportional to how good the reliever is with obviously some luck thrown in. Show me a mediocre reliever who consistently keeps inherited runners from scoring.

This is especially true in OOTP. I highly doubt they have some code that makes certain pitchers better at keeping inherited runners from scoring. Therefore, showing the statistic would just give the player false info. That's probably why they don't show it.

You could make that argument about almost any stat in baseball. Just saying.

[BeancheBlanco]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

You could make that argument about almost any stat in baseball. Just saying.

Not any stat but I definitely think a lot of situational stats are over-analyzed. In any case, unless I see some proof that situational stats are coded to have meaning in OOTP, I will continue to ignore them.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

Not any stat but I definitely think a lot of situational stats are over-analyzed. In any case, unless I see some proof that situational stats are coded to have meaning in OOTP, I will continue to ignore them.

Ignoring them for player evaluation purposes makes sense. There may be quite a few OOTP customers who still want to know how the player did in that given stat for narrative purposes, or simple curiosity, without evaluating the player on that basis.

[Gerse]

[EDIT: Ignore this, wasn't paying attention and made a goof.]
[An inauspicious start.]

[BeancheBlanco]

Originally Posted by Gerse

This is exactly the point of including the stat. Knowing that the free agent reliever with a 1.70 ERA had a strand rate of 87% last year when the league average is in the low-mid 70s allows you to infer that there's very little chance that he repeats those numbers going forward, and allows you to avoid throwing 13MM a year at him.

we're talking about inherited runners scored, not strand rate.

[Gerse]

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

we're talking about inherited runners scored, not strand rate.

Whoops, wasn't paying attention.

Though the point remains, no?
If someone is significantly above or below league average in a luck-based metric, you can reasonably expect regression to the mean

[BeancheBlanco]

Originally Posted by Gerse

Whoops, wasn't paying attention.

Though the point remains, no?
If someone is significantly above or below league average in a luck-based metric, you can reasonably expect regression to the mean

well inherited runners don't affect the pitcher in question at all. If a pitcher does very well at keeping inherited runners from scoring, that only helps the pitcher who preceded him. That could be any of the other pitchers on your team, so it doesn't really mean much.

[Gerse]

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

well inherited runners don't affect the pitcher in question at all. If a pitcher does very well at keeping inherited runners from scoring, that only helps the pitcher who preceded him. That could be any of the other pitchers on your team, so it doesn't really mean much.

Yeah, that as just a whole lot of typing before thinking on my part. I realized after but didn't want to have to redact two posts.

Sorry bout that.

(I swear, I'm not dumb!)

[The Wolf]

BABIP is mostly luck, but it's a useful stat.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

Not any stat but I definitely think a lot of situational stats are over-analyzed. In any case, unless I see some proof that situational stats are coded to have meaning in OOTP, I will continue to ignore them.

Plain and simple, baseball is such a stat-heavy sport that there is no reason to exclude ANY stat from OOTP. There are plenty of stats in the game that I don't use, but that doesn't mean that no one else does, or that no one else should. Hell, if someone wants to develop a pitching staff based around HR/9, they can. It's not a great idea, but they can.

By all means, ignore whatever stats you want. But just because you don't like IRS% doesn't mean that others who DO want it shouldn't have the option to use it.

Also,

Originally Posted by BeancheBlanco

well inherited runners don't affect the pitcher in question at all. If a pitcher does very well at keeping inherited runners from scoring, that only helps the pitcher who preceded him. That could be any of the other pitchers on your team, so it doesn't really mean much.

That's the exact reason I would like to see IRS%. I want to know which of my pitchers are the best at helping my other pitchers out of jams. Because that's what relievers are for, isn't it?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

BABIP is mostly luck, but it's a useful stat.

It could be an indicator of defense on some level.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It could be an indicator of defense on some level.

It's mostly luck. See Baseball Prospectus | Ahead in the Count: Why SIERA Doesn't Throw BABIP Out with the Bath Water

[The Wolf]

Or Is BABIP simply sheer luck? - Beyond the Box Score

[endgame]

I've been a strong advocate of including this stat for years now, particularly in light of the fact the data is available in each box score, but for some reason it isn't collected in histories. It always assisted my personal evaluation of a player and I found it useful.

Now, to the point of 'situational stats coded to have meaning'- I hope I quoted that correctly -I wouldn't want that as a criteria nor is that the nature of a specific stat. They exist simply to measure what's happened, with the prediction of what will happen left solely to the individual, if he wishes to utilize the stat and, as a consequence, give it particularly meaning. There is unequivocally no rationale, IMHO, to weighting a player tendency simply because a particular stat reflects a certain performance. Stats simply measure the number of incidents and results for reflection and personal analysis. This is just one of those records I'd enjoy being able to peruse in my arsenal of decision making tools.

[D-BacksJosh]

So use BABIP to find who is lucky and who isn't.