Klitscho- Lewis

mh2365 · 06-22-2003, 01:33 AM

Fight needed to be stopped that was one of the worst cuts I've seen although it didn't seem to be hampering him at all .... but Lewis is fooling himself with the " I had him right where I wanted him" speil ... no way Lewis gives him a rematch or fights his brother, he will continue to take fights he sees as safe .... I'm sure he no longer thinks the brothers are safe

Wayne Reynolds · 06-22-2003, 02:01 AM

Lennox is in denial! Anyone see the press conf? Klitschko handled Lennoxs punches great and looked the freshest of the two even with a bad eye. If the fight wouldn't have been stopped we would've had a new champion imo.

PittPanther · 06-22-2003, 09:02 AM

Lewis has always been overrated and has a suspect chin, as shown last night.

He acted like a chump in the interview, "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face."

I could go on, but I won't for the flame wars will start as Lewis' supporters will surely take issue with my statements and tell me how he is a top 10 all-time heavyweight. And before that starts I will bow out, leaving those fans with two words : Oliver McCall.

Uk Main Event · 06-22-2003, 05:58 PM

hahahahaha.

Lewis has a suspect chin?? yeh ok :S. so he'll lunge in at times, think too far ahead, he comes out on top in the end.

So.he acts like a chump in every interview, last time i checked i could of swore he was getting paid for boxing not acting,

When you say he's overated and start doubting his top 10 all time status. hmmm, Undisputed Champion seems to echo through his career.

estone57 · 06-22-2003, 06:11 PM

But he is not the undisputed champion is he?. And as of last night I think he better start training a little harder. A lucky cut saved him. He still is the top heavy in my book, but all time top 10? No way

ED

mh2365 · 06-22-2003, 08:03 PM

I don't think Lewis is over-rated, despite a weak heavyweight division he has beaten every fighter he has ever fought .... but he has hand-picked his opponents lately with what he feels are safe fights .... my point was he was sadly mistaken last night when he was doing his "I had him right where he wanted him" speil last night and there is no way he'll fight either Klitschko again

Wayne Reynolds · 06-22-2003, 11:02 PM

sure looked overrated Saturday...

jas80s · 06-22-2003, 11:32 PM

I agree that Lewis will not fight Klitschko again. It seems to me that when a fighter says "I will fight if the money is right..." He is actually saying "I will not be fighting this man again...."

Actually, I was pretty impressed with Lewis' chin on Saturday. I mean he was rocked in round 2 but he stayed up. After that, he seemed to take Vitaly's shots pretty well. Which surprised and impressed me......maybe as he is getting older his chin is getting better just like Big George.

I was also disappointed in Lewis' lack of grace in the post-fight interview.....that was pitiful....Vitaly deserved some credit for his performance. For me though, this fight wasn't as much about Lewis as it was about Klitschko. I thought Lewis fought a courageous, and yes, pretty good fight. I mean seriously, Klitschko's face didn't look like that by accident. And therein lies the real story of the fight......Klitschko's toughness. I thought he would go away the first time Lewis hit him (I think Lewis thought the same thing incidentally), but he took his shots and fought back. What's more he never appeared to be in big trouble.....I was shocked.

Finally, I don't completely discount the accuracy of Lewis' post fight comments.......Vitaly didn't exactly look fresh to me after 6 either. Obviously, the cut was hampering him but I thought Lewis was becoming more effective in the 5th and 6th rounds. I don't think either one of them clearly had the upper hand at the point it was stopped.....they both looked a little tired and spent just as you would expect after a 6 round war.

I will steer clear of the Lewis top 10 all-time debate. He never got to fight the best fighters of his generation in their primes (well, maybe Holyfield was in his prime...it's so hard to tell with him..lol). Of course, all you hear about Lewis is stories of fighters avoiding him which, of course, says something in and of itself.

Eyalc · 06-23-2003, 03:28 PM

Lewis was waaay overweight. Give Klitscho credit for his gameplan to bring the fight to him. Very smart move IMO. It almost worked for him.

But keep in mind, that Lewis' condition may not have been totally due to a lack of training. He was preparing to fight a man that was also a heavy boxer without much agility. Okay - maybe he didn't train that great for him either, but Lewis probably would have taken him out in 3 rounds max (no disrespect). He was "prepared" for that. What he wasn't prepared for was someone bringing the fight to him making him defend and punch that much.

I'm a little hesitant to raise Klitscho's stock, 'cause if an in-shape Lewis was in there, I think the story would have been much different. The question is - will there ever be an in-shape Lewis again? But also give Lewis a bunch of credit, 'cause regardless who was fresher or who was winning, Klitscho took a whippin' too. But based on the situation and Klitscho's gameplan, he deserved to win the championship. Lucky for Lewis that cut came when it did. Klitscho only had to catch him clean one more time...

About Lewis being an all-time great? I think that fight will always keep people from accepting him as one. The only way now to secure it is to get back in the ring with Klitscho. Give him a rematch and beat him "again" like he claims he was doing.

And by the way, if Lewis came to the ring against Roy Jones like that - Jones would be wearing that belt.

chicagodog23 · 06-23-2003, 05:57 PM

Lewis came into this fight well out of shape and seemed quite unprepared -- whether the lack of preparation was due to the short notice of accepting this bout could be argued. However, I don't think he took Klitchko seriously -- and the good doctor took the fight right to the champ -- it was an awesome display of action for two huge men -- they were both exhausted when the fight was stopped -- who knows what might have happened as things continued... as badly chopped up as Klitchko's face really was, he did an outstanding job of beating Lewis to the punch time and time again -- and I believe had the fight gone the distance, Klitchko would likely have been able to continue to take the fight directly to Lewis (Klitchko said he could see out of that eye just fine) and ultimately become the new champion.

I don't think anyone can question Klitchko's heart OR his chin - consider that in Round 5 he took what was easily the hardest punch of the fight -- a massive uppercut -- from Lewis and while it "stopped" him for a second, it didn't appear to hurt him in the least -- that same punch has floored quite a few of Lewis' previous opponents.

I would be interested to see if Lewis grants Klitchko a rematch -- my money says he won't fight him again -- I could see him fighting Roy Jones Jr -- coming in to that fight in the best shape of his life to unify the title -- and upon beating him, retiring as undisputed champion. I agree that if he comes into that fight out of shape, Jones has a good chance of beating him.

In the interview afterwards, Lewis should have conceded to Klitchko's skill and heart and given him some credit. I applaud Larry Merchant for pressing Lewis hard with those post-fight questions. Sadly, I lost a measure of respect for Lewis, not so much as a fighter but as a man. Klitchko gave him a good run for his money and the champ would have done well to acknowledge that.

EricKarl · 06-23-2003, 06:18 PM

Hello everyone. I am new to this site. I still play the board version of Titlebout as I don't have a software version (my guess is 2001 is no longer available)

I saw the Lewis fight Saturday. He seemed lethargic and out of shape. What is amazing is that an out of shape Lewis was able to make Hamburger out of Klitchko's face. Makes you wonder what an in shape Lewis would have done.

Lewis looked to me like he looked in the Rahman fight and like Ali looked in the Jimmy Young fight.

Looking forward to when the new game is released

estone57 · 06-23-2003, 09:54 PM

I really think Lewis got lucky with one punch. HBO isolated the glancing shot that opened the eye lid of Klitchko and that was the nasty fight ending shot. Sure he battered the eye even more cutting him below the eye but it was that one lucky punch. Lewis came in fighting a replacement and Klitchko took it to him every round. Should be a mandatory rematch. Put the Roy Jones Jr fight off and lets see who is the better fighter here. Lewis was a 4 1/2-1 fav in the first fight, I bet the Vegas dudes would make it a more even fight. Lewis is 37 he has to fight Klitchko again or he will never be considered one of the "elite"

ED

wildhawke11 · 06-23-2003, 11:48 PM

What was lucky in that fight was the ref allowing Lewis to hit Klit about 10 times in the kidneys. without even a warning. Lewis is an old man now in spite of what he says, he knows his reflexes are gone.
In regard to him not been elite, bear in mind again his age ,working on that Ali himself would not make the top 10 if we judged him on some of his later fights.

All to me that fight showed, is that Old Father Time has caught up with Lewis.Once you lose it its gone forever.
Klit is nothing special, the Lewis of a few years ago would have proved it.
Someone said both were exhausted with there efforts
Try telling that to Rocky Marciano, ( if he was alive today ) or even Joe Frazier as they came out guns blazing in say the 13th round.

In case any of you think i am a Lewis fan, your dead wrong.
The Heavyweight division is a joke today.
My Thoughts right or wrong

mh2365 · 06-23-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by estone57
I really think Lewis got lucky with one punch. HBO isolated the glancing shot that opened the eye lid of Klitchko and that was the nasty fight ending shot. Sure he battered the eye even more cutting him below the eye but it was that one lucky punch. Lewis came in fighting a replacement and Klitchko took it to him every round. Should be a mandatory rematch. Put the Roy Jones Jr fight off and lets see who is the better fighter here. Lewis was a 4 1/2-1 fav in the first fight, I bet the Vegas dudes would make it a more even fight. Lewis is 37 he has to fight Klitchko again or he will never be considered one of the "elite"

ED

I agree 100% ... to say that Lewis made hamburger of Vitali's face is very inaccurate .... Klitschko landed more punches and was winning the fight on all the scorecards, even though I'm sure champion scoring was in effect (meaning the judges tend to give the champion the round if they can find any reason at all to do so) Lewis landed one glancing blow which is usually the way cuts happen, to cut Vitali, then every time he hit it it re-opened ... too bad Lewis won't give him a re-match because Lewis sees him as a threat now and Lewis doesn't fight anyone he sees as a threat

Wayne Reynolds · 06-24-2003, 12:03 AM

suppose to be a rematch in Nov or Dec of this year. can't wait.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 06-24-2003, 12:06 AM

Pitt Panther was right on the money with his break-down of Lennox Lewis. Very suspect chin. He does well against shorter oppenents,which he can keep away. Did he and Riddick Bowe ever fight as professionals? I think he would have alot of trouble with him. Most defintly, he's not a top 10 all-time heavy weight.

Wayne Reynolds · 06-24-2003, 12:21 AM

no Riddick Bowe threw away the belt in a trash can. showed what kind of champion he was...

sabotai · 06-24-2003, 03:15 PM

"I could see him fighting Roy Jones Jr -- coming in to that fight in the best shape of his life to unify the title -- and upon beating him, retiring as undisputed champion. "

He'd have to fight and beat Chris Byrd as well to do this. (Retire as undisputed champion)

GForce22 · 06-24-2003, 06:35 PM

With Holyfield and Roy Jones unable to reach an agreement, Holyfield will apparently drop back down to Cruiserweight to fight James Toney later this year.

GH

estone57 · 06-24-2003, 07:58 PM

Some interesting rumors around here. A Lewis and Klitchko rematch and Holyfield dropping back down to the cruiserweight division. Maybe the controversy of the Lewis vs Klitchko bout can spark some interest in this very boring heavyweight division. A champion that takes a year off, the second most popular fighter is destined to a life in and out of jail and then the next most popular is tired of commentating and selling burger grills. There has to be a young heavy out there that could just take this weak division by storm. Just my two cents again, god I hope this sim comes out soon-maybe I'll stop rambling.

ED

06-22-2003, 01:33 AM	#1
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Klitscho- Lewis Fight needed to be stopped that was one of the worst cuts I've seen although it didn't seem to be hampering him at all .... but Lewis is fooling himself with the " I had him right where I wanted him" speil ... no way Lewis gives him a rematch or fights his brother, he will continue to take fights he sees as safe .... I'm sure he no longer thinks the brothers are safe

06-22-2003, 02:01 AM	#2
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	Lennox is in denial! Anyone see the press conf? Klitschko handled Lennoxs punches great and looked the freshest of the two even with a bad eye. If the fight wouldn't have been stopped we would've had a new champion imo. __________________ Wayne

06-22-2003, 09:02 AM	#3
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	Lewis has always been overrated and has a suspect chin, as shown last night. He acted like a chump in the interview, "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face." I could go on, but I won't for the flame wars will start as Lewis' supporters will surely take issue with my statements and tell me how he is a top 10 all-time heavyweight. And before that starts I will bow out, leaving those fans with two words : Oliver McCall. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

06-22-2003, 11:02 PM	#7
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	sure looked overrated Saturday... __________________ Wayne

06-23-2003, 11:48 PM	#13
wildhawke11 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,952	IS THIS THE BEST WE HAVE TODAY What was lucky in that fight was the ref allowing Lewis to hit Klit about 10 times in the kidneys. without even a warning. Lewis is an old man now in spite of what he says, he knows his reflexes are gone. In regard to him not been elite, bear in mind again his age ,working on that Ali himself would not make the top 10 if we judged him on some of his later fights. All to me that fight showed, is that Old Father Time has caught up with Lewis.Once you lose it its gone forever. Klit is nothing special, the Lewis of a few years ago would have proved it. Someone said both were exhausted with there efforts Try telling that to Rocky Marciano, ( if he was alive today ) or even Joe Frazier as they came out guns blazing in say the 13th round. In case any of you think i am a Lewis fan, your dead wrong. The Heavyweight division is a joke today. My Thoughts right or wrong Last edited by wildhawke11; 06-23-2003 at 11:58 PM.

06-22-2003, 05:58 PM	#4
Uk Main Event Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 7	hahahahaha. Lewis has a suspect chin?? yeh ok :S. so he'll lunge in at times, think too far ahead, he comes out on top in the end. So.he acts like a chump in every interview, last time i checked i could of swore he was getting paid for boxing not acting, When you say he's overated and start doubting his top 10 all time status. hmmm, Undisputed Champion seems to echo through his career.

06-22-2003, 06:11 PM	#5
estone57 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fostoria, Ohio Posts: 69	But he is not the undisputed champion is he?. And as of last night I think he better start training a little harder. A lucky cut saved him. He still is the top heavy in my book, but all time top 10? No way ED

06-22-2003, 08:03 PM	#6
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I don't think Lewis is over-rated, despite a weak heavyweight division he has beaten every fighter he has ever fought .... but he has hand-picked his opponents lately with what he feels are safe fights .... my point was he was sadly mistaken last night when he was doing his "I had him right where he wanted him" speil last night and there is no way he'll fight either Klitschko again

06-22-2003, 11:32 PM	#8
jas80s Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 251	I agree that Lewis will not fight Klitschko again. It seems to me that when a fighter says "I will fight if the money is right..." He is actually saying "I will not be fighting this man again...." Actually, I was pretty impressed with Lewis' chin on Saturday. I mean he was rocked in round 2 but he stayed up. After that, he seemed to take Vitaly's shots pretty well. Which surprised and impressed me......maybe as he is getting older his chin is getting better just like Big George. I was also disappointed in Lewis' lack of grace in the post-fight interview.....that was pitiful....Vitaly deserved some credit for his performance. For me though, this fight wasn't as much about Lewis as it was about Klitschko. I thought Lewis fought a courageous, and yes, pretty good fight. I mean seriously, Klitschko's face didn't look like that by accident. And therein lies the real story of the fight......Klitschko's toughness. I thought he would go away the first time Lewis hit him (I think Lewis thought the same thing incidentally), but he took his shots and fought back. What's more he never appeared to be in big trouble.....I was shocked. Finally, I don't completely discount the accuracy of Lewis' post fight comments.......Vitaly didn't exactly look fresh to me after 6 either. Obviously, the cut was hampering him but I thought Lewis was becoming more effective in the 5th and 6th rounds. I don't think either one of them clearly had the upper hand at the point it was stopped.....they both looked a little tired and spent just as you would expect after a 6 round war. I will steer clear of the Lewis top 10 all-time debate. He never got to fight the best fighters of his generation in their primes (well, maybe Holyfield was in his prime...it's so hard to tell with him..lol). Of course, all you hear about Lewis is stories of fighters avoiding him which, of course, says something in and of itself.

06-23-2003, 03:28 PM	#9
Eyalc Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 10	Lewis was waaay overweight. Give Klitscho credit for his gameplan to bring the fight to him. Very smart move IMO. It almost worked for him. But keep in mind, that Lewis' condition may not have been totally due to a lack of training. He was preparing to fight a man that was also a heavy boxer without much agility. Okay - maybe he didn't train that great for him either, but Lewis probably would have taken him out in 3 rounds max (no disrespect). He was "prepared" for that. What he wasn't prepared for was someone bringing the fight to him making him defend and punch that much. I'm a little hesitant to raise Klitscho's stock, 'cause if an in-shape Lewis was in there, I think the story would have been much different. The question is - will there ever be an in-shape Lewis again? But also give Lewis a bunch of credit, 'cause regardless who was fresher or who was winning, Klitscho took a whippin' too. But based on the situation and Klitscho's gameplan, he deserved to win the championship. Lucky for Lewis that cut came when it did. Klitscho only had to catch him clean one more time... About Lewis being an all-time great? I think that fight will always keep people from accepting him as one. The only way now to secure it is to get back in the ring with Klitscho. Give him a rematch and beat him "again" like he claims he was doing. And by the way, if Lewis came to the ring against Roy Jones like that - Jones would be wearing that belt.

06-23-2003, 05:57 PM	#10
chicagodog23 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 1	Lewis came into this fight well out of shape and seemed quite unprepared -- whether the lack of preparation was due to the short notice of accepting this bout could be argued. However, I don't think he took Klitchko seriously -- and the good doctor took the fight right to the champ -- it was an awesome display of action for two huge men -- they were both exhausted when the fight was stopped -- who knows what might have happened as things continued... as badly chopped up as Klitchko's face really was, he did an outstanding job of beating Lewis to the punch time and time again -- and I believe had the fight gone the distance, Klitchko would likely have been able to continue to take the fight directly to Lewis (Klitchko said he could see out of that eye just fine) and ultimately become the new champion. I don't think anyone can question Klitchko's heart OR his chin - consider that in Round 5 he took what was easily the hardest punch of the fight -- a massive uppercut -- from Lewis and while it "stopped" him for a second, it didn't appear to hurt him in the least -- that same punch has floored quite a few of Lewis' previous opponents. I would be interested to see if Lewis grants Klitchko a rematch -- my money says he won't fight him again -- I could see him fighting Roy Jones Jr -- coming in to that fight in the best shape of his life to unify the title -- and upon beating him, retiring as undisputed champion. I agree that if he comes into that fight out of shape, Jones has a good chance of beating him. In the interview afterwards, Lewis should have conceded to Klitchko's skill and heart and given him some credit. I applaud Larry Merchant for pressing Lewis hard with those post-fight questions. Sadly, I lost a measure of respect for Lewis, not so much as a fighter but as a man. Klitchko gave him a good run for his money and the champ would have done well to acknowledge that.

06-23-2003, 06:18 PM	#11
EricKarl Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32	Hello everyone. I am new to this site. I still play the board version of Titlebout as I don't have a software version (my guess is 2001 is no longer available) I saw the Lewis fight Saturday. He seemed lethargic and out of shape. What is amazing is that an out of shape Lewis was able to make Hamburger out of Klitchko's face. Makes you wonder what an in shape Lewis would have done. Lewis looked to me like he looked in the Rahman fight and like Ali looked in the Jimmy Young fight. Looking forward to when the new game is released

06-23-2003, 09:54 PM	#12
estone57 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fostoria, Ohio Posts: 69	I really think Lewis got lucky with one punch. HBO isolated the glancing shot that opened the eye lid of Klitchko and that was the nasty fight ending shot. Sure he battered the eye even more cutting him below the eye but it was that one lucky punch. Lewis came in fighting a replacement and Klitchko took it to him every round. Should be a mandatory rematch. Put the Roy Jones Jr fight off and lets see who is the better fighter here. Lewis was a 4 1/2-1 fav in the first fight, I bet the Vegas dudes would make it a more even fight. Lewis is 37 he has to fight Klitchko again or he will never be considered one of the "elite" ED

06-24-2003, 12:03 AM	#15
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	suppose to be a rematch in Nov or Dec of this year. can't wait. __________________ Wayne

06-24-2003, 12:06 AM	#16
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	Pitt Panther was right on the money with his break-down of Lennox Lewis. Very suspect chin. He does well against shorter oppenents,which he can keep away. Did he and Riddick Bowe ever fight as professionals? I think he would have alot of trouble with him. Most defintly, he's not a top 10 all-time heavy weight.

06-24-2003, 12:21 AM	#17
Wayne Reynolds Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10	no Riddick Bowe threw away the belt in a trash can. showed what kind of champion he was... __________________ Wayne

06-24-2003, 03:15 PM	#18
sabotai All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 841	"I could see him fighting Roy Jones Jr -- coming in to that fight in the best shape of his life to unify the title -- and upon beating him, retiring as undisputed champion. " He'd have to fight and beat Chris Byrd as well to do this. (Retire as undisputed champion)

06-24-2003, 06:35 PM	#19
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	With Holyfield and Roy Jones unable to reach an agreement, Holyfield will apparently drop back down to Cruiserweight to fight James Toney later this year. GH

06-24-2003, 07:58 PM	#20
estone57 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fostoria, Ohio Posts: 69	Some interesting rumors around here. A Lewis and Klitchko rematch and Holyfield dropping back down to the cruiserweight division. Maybe the controversy of the Lewis vs Klitchko bout can spark some interest in this very boring heavyweight division. A champion that takes a year off, the second most popular fighter is destined to a life in and out of jail and then the next most popular is tired of commentating and selling burger grills. There has to be a young heavy out there that could just take this weak division by storm. Just my two cents again, god I hope this sim comes out soon-maybe I'll stop rambling. ED