Newly Drafted Pitchers Losing "Stuff"

dangarion · 06-17-2003, 08:20 PM

2/5/2008 William Blanc decreases his Stuff from 6 to 1.

3/1/2008 Elroy Brazier decreases his Stuff from 4 to 1.
Bobby Glenn decreases his Stuff from 3 to 0.
Kenneth Miller decreases his Stuff from 3 to 0.

I can list numerous pitchers in a league I'm in that their "stuff" rating was higher before they were drafted and then it dropped. It kinda sucks if the game shows you one thing and you think the player is at a certain level and then after you draft them they are not the same player you drafted. It only happens with pitchers and it's only when they are first drafted that I see this happen. I can count 3-4 players on a team that had this happened each one drafted this year.

Steve Kuffrey · 06-18-2003, 02:31 PM

Are you using scouts or not?

sporr · 06-18-2003, 02:34 PM

Steve, I'll send you a link by PM.

dangarion · 06-18-2003, 04:03 PM

No we use no scouts. I know you have said in the past that the "average scout" can be different at times but the amount of stuff these players are loosing is as much as 3-4 points total from before they are drafted to when they are on their new team.

Fred · 06-18-2003, 05:19 PM

I have noticed the same thing about 2/3 of the pitchers that I Draft in the first round turn into 1 star prospects within 3 years of being drafted, I know that there are a lot of busts but in all of the versions i have played you have adecent chance of the guy becoming a solid player. However with my hitting prospects about 1\2 of the guys turn into decent players It might be programmed into the game but I would like to know.

dangarion · 06-18-2003, 05:28 PM

Fred - this is a little different this immediately happens after the player is drafted not after a couple years. The players are drafted with decent stuff ratings and then all of the sudden once they join their team they have very little to no stuff.

sporr · 06-18-2003, 05:37 PM

dangarion,

I've posted this bug in beta.

Doctor Drew · 06-20-2003, 03:48 AM

Sure wish I had read this post earlier...just made a pick in an online league, and I'm not sure he was the best choice now that his stuff has gone from a 6 to a 2...

sporr · 06-20-2003, 11:25 AM

Doctor Drew,

In the USBA where we had this happen, the Commissioner simply raised the pitchers in question back to their original levels. Of course, someone would have to keep a copy of the league pre-draft to know what the numbers should be.

Doctor Drew · 06-23-2003, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sporr
Doctor Drew,

In the USBA where we had this happen, the Commissioner simply raised the pitchers in question back to their original levels. Of course, someone would have to keep a copy of the league pre-draft to know what the numbers should be.

As much as I am in favor of such a policy, you'll be surprised to learn that the other owners are just as happy with things the way they are. What a surprise....

sporr · 06-23-2003, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Drew
As much as I am in favor of such a policy, you'll be surprised to learn that the other owners are just as happy with things the way they are. What a surprise....

That's both surprising and scary.

Doctor Drew · 06-25-2003, 07:57 PM

It isn't as bad as it seems as far as the other owners go. Further along in the draft, it has become clear that EVERY pitcher drafted has lost stuff, on the average of 3 points (1 lost 4, 1 lost 2). So it's been decided to just leave it be. It's a shame, though.

06-17-2003, 08:20 PM	#1
dangarion All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 569	Newly Drafted Pitchers Losing "Stuff" 2/5/2008 William Blanc decreases his Stuff from 6 to 1. 3/1/2008 Elroy Brazier decreases his Stuff from 4 to 1. Bobby Glenn decreases his Stuff from 3 to 0. Kenneth Miller decreases his Stuff from 3 to 0. I can list numerous pitchers in a league I'm in that their "stuff" rating was higher before they were drafted and then it dropped. It kinda sucks if the game shows you one thing and you think the player is at a certain level and then after you draft them they are not the same player you drafted. It only happens with pitchers and it's only when they are first drafted that I see this happen. I can count 3-4 players on a team that had this happened each one drafted this year. __________________ DanGarion GM - Los Angeles Dodgers The Peanuts and Cracker Jack Baseball League PCJBL!

06-18-2003, 02:31 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Are you using scouts or not? __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-18-2003, 04:03 PM	#4
dangarion All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 569	No we use no scouts. I know you have said in the past that the "average scout" can be different at times but the amount of stuff these players are loosing is as much as 3-4 points total from before they are drafted to when they are on their new team. __________________ DanGarion GM - Los Angeles Dodgers The Peanuts and Cracker Jack Baseball League PCJBL!

06-18-2003, 05:28 PM	#6
dangarion All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 569	Fred - this is a little different this immediately happens after the player is drafted not after a couple years. The players are drafted with decent stuff ratings and then all of the sudden once they join their team they have very little to no stuff. __________________ DanGarion GM - Los Angeles Dodgers The Peanuts and Cracker Jack Baseball League PCJBL!

06-18-2003, 02:34 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Steve, I'll send you a link by PM.

06-18-2003, 05:19 PM	#5
Fred Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 67	I have noticed the same thing about 2/3 of the pitchers that I Draft in the first round turn into 1 star prospects within 3 years of being drafted, I know that there are a lot of busts but in all of the versions i have played you have adecent chance of the guy becoming a solid player. However with my hitting prospects about 1\2 of the guys turn into decent players It might be programmed into the game but I would like to know.

06-18-2003, 05:37 PM	#7
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	dangarion, I've posted this bug in beta.

06-20-2003, 03:48 AM	#8
Doctor Drew Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 55	Sure wish I had read this post earlier...just made a pick in an online league, and I'm not sure he was the best choice now that his stuff has gone from a 6 to a 2...

06-20-2003, 11:25 AM	#9
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Doctor Drew, In the USBA where we had this happen, the Commissioner simply raised the pitchers in question back to their original levels. Of course, someone would have to keep a copy of the league pre-draft to know what the numbers should be.

06-25-2003, 07:57 PM	#12
Doctor Drew Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 55	It isn't as bad as it seems as far as the other owners go. Further along in the draft, it has become clear that EVERY pitcher drafted has lost stuff, on the average of 3 points (1 lost 4, 1 lost 2). So it's been decided to just leave it be. It's a shame, though.