Any Word About OOTP14 Features?

[raginhood]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yeah, us old guys in our thirties need to step aside and let you teenagers run things.

Yup you OVER DAH HILL dude you're just waitin in 50 now. hahaha Games are made for the YOUNG!

[RchW]

Originally Posted by raginhood

I'm glad some of the OLD guard will leave. Most of them are snobs, arrogant and rude and think they own this place and what Markus does. lol It IS laughable to say the least. They have this DELUSION that if they quit that the game will fail and Markus will go out of business. Totally Laughable as usual coming by the OLD guard. I remember them during Creative Assemply's move from OLD grog style Total War to the NEW Total War and yah know some of them are still there whining about the changes. hahahaha Why didn't they leave like they SAID the would? lol Mainly it's just OLD people who don't like change. They want a game to be made the way THEY want it forever an ever and any CHANGE to it is the end of the world (their world mostly lol). Who cares let em go they had their time now it's OUR TIME!

Where's my virtual walking stick so I can beat some old codger sense into you.

[AESP_pres]

Your comments sure doesn't help me to not see what kind of idiot the graphic will bring...

BTW what have you done for the game to have the right to told the old timers to leave? At least even if I disagree with Charlie Hough, silvam14 and few others on the subject I respect them... you not so much as you sound like a clueless kid.

Originally Posted by raginhood

I'm glad some of the OLD guard will leave. Most of them are snobs, arrogant and rude!

Originally Posted by raginhood

Yup you OVER DAH HILL dude you're just waitin in 50 now. hahaha Games are made for the YOUNG!

Edit : Welcome to my blocked list, you are clearly an idiot...

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Despite Markus' assertion that this would just be a graphical layer on the current game engine, the anti-graphics crowd tries to sway people to their side by basically stating as fact that this will turn OOTP into an arcade game where your fast-twitch reactions and a Wii controller will now dictate all results.

Remember, in all things assume the most laughable case is most likely case.

It's awesome when people are bailing on the game based on wild leaps of logic concerning potential features three or four versions down the road.

Speaking of assuming the most laughable case, this is a gross exaggeration of what people are saying. I can't read every post in this thread because I'm an avid user of the ignore function, but it's a huge overstatement to say the anti-graphics crowd is saying OOTP would become an arcade game with a controller. Just because a vocal few may say that doesn't mean that's the majority opinion of all users who aren't interested in graphics. A big problem with hot-button issues on these boards is that a opinions of a few outspoken members are assumed to be the opinions of some kind of majority, and that's just not true pretty much all the time.

Markus said YESTERDAY that any addition of graphics would be an option in the game, so anyone not interested in graphics (myself included), can just not use them. And if you read closely, that will satisfy a lot of people (myself included) who voted no in the other thread.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by D-BacksJosh

Not all of them.. Madden has been around for over 20 years, and shows no sign of dying whatsoever. I consider OOTP the 'Madden' of baseball sims myself.

NCAA Football has been around for almost 20 years and unless it made major strides this year (and I found no reviews online that said that), it's dying a rapid death because EA screwed it up a few years ago.

I'm not saying that's going to happen with OOTP because Markus & Co. seem to have a clear vision of what they want OOTP to be. EA Sports, on the other hand, well, that's another topic for another message board.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Speaking of assuming the most laughable case, this is a gross exaggeration of what people are saying. I can't read every post in this thread because I'm an avid user of the ignore function, but it's a huge overstatement to say the anti-graphics crowd is saying OOTP would become an arcade game with a controller. Just because a vocal few may say that doesn't mean that's the majority opinion of all users who aren't interested in graphics. A big problem with hot-button issues on these boards is that a opinions of a few outspoken members are assumed to be the opinions of some kind of majority, and that's just not true pretty much all the time.

Markus said YESTERDAY that any addition of graphics would be an option in the game, so anyone not interested in graphics (myself included), can just not use them. And if you read closely, that will satisfy a lot of people (myself included) who voted no.

There have certainly been posts where people referred to the addition of graphics as "turning OOTP into an arcade game" and The Wolf basically said that he thought the addition of graphics would likely be the end of the game, and at least would lead to the immediate departure of a large number of long-term, die hard fans of the game.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say there are some very vocal members of the board who are quite sure this will be the end of OOTP as we know it, and absolutely not in a good way. And all of this about some ideas for a proposed feature in a future version of the game. It's ridiculous.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

There have certainly been posts where people referred to the addition of graphics as "turning OOTP into an arcade game" and The Wolf basically said that he thought the addition of graphics would likely be the end of the game, and at least would lead to the immediate departure of a large number of long-term, die hard fans of the game.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say there are some very vocal members of the board who are quite sure this will be the end of OOTP as we know it, and absolutely not in a good way. And all of this about some ideas for a proposed feature in a future version of the game. It's ridiculous.

Like I said, I'm an avid user of the ignore function, so put two-and-two together as to how that relates to your quote above.

And I'm not denying that some people think graphics will be the end of OOTP. If they want to think that, let them think that. Just don't assume that the majority of people who don't want graphics also think graphics will ruin OOTP. Read through the thread with the poll about graphics. There are a handful of people who said they don't want them because they either sim most of their games or they like how playing out games works now. That's far from crying doom and gloom for OOTP, especially since Markus said definitively that when graphics are added, there will be an option to disable them.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Like I said, I'm an avid user of the ignore function, so put two-and-two together as to how that relates to your quote above.

And I'm not denying that some people think graphics will be the end of OOTP. If they want to think that, let them think that. Just don't assume that the majority of people who don't want graphics also think graphics will ruin OOTP. Read through the thread with the poll about graphics. There are a handful of people who said they don't want them because they either sim most of their games or they like how playing out games works now. That's far from crying doom and gloom for OOTP, especially since Markus said definitively that when graphics are added, there will be an option to disable them.

I generally share your view but I can see a scenario where graphics are introduced and it becomes a parasite, eating up all of the available labor in order to satisfy the demand for more/better visuals. I also need definitive reassurance that the game won't have user input a la video games that can change a play outcome. Note I don't mean stuff like taking an extra base optionally which is already in the game.

I'm not really worried though, if the game ever stops being an intellectual exercise, I'll just stay with the last version that does.

[thehef]

I don’t see what all the hubbub is about, although I do find this thread very entertaining ... If the worst-case scenario were to present itself and graphics ruin, say, OOTP v16, I’d just go on – as RchW basically says above - playing a great prior version; I won’t boycott those, too, just because the new graphics-version sucks.

And wasn’t there a previous version (7 or something?) that really took some wrongs turns and didn’t work out so well? Seems that if graphics "ruined" a future version, it’s quite conceivable that OOTP would get back on track.

[raginhood]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Your comments sure doesn't help me to not see what kind of idiot the graphic will bring...

BTW what have you done for the game to have the right to told the old timers to leave? At least even if I disagree with Charlie Hough, silvam14 and few others on the subject I respect them... you not so much as you sound like a clueless kid.

Show me a kid nowadays that RESPECTS old people? lol

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by thehef

And wasn’t there a previous version (7 or something?) that really took some wrongs turns and didn’t work out so well?

OOTP 2007 maybe? It was my first version, so I can't say what was wrong with it (if it is indeed the one you think about). Wasn't OOTP 6.5 very different than what we have now? From what I read on the board that one is always well like by the veteran OOTP owners.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

OOTP 2007 maybe? It was my first version, so I can't say what was wrong with it (if it is indeed the one you think about). Wasn't OOTP 6.5 very different than what we have now? From what I read on the board that one is always well like by the veteran OOTP owners.

It was OOTP 2006 IIRC, because the whole thing was basically re-written from the ground up. The reaction to that may be part of why Markus hasn't done something similar since (i/e because it's too much of a risk to get bad reviews in this economic climate). He's free to correct me on that though.

[Matt Amick]

Markus,

I do a league with high school and college feeder leagues, and it is extremely frustrating to go into the draft and have every top starting pitcher have only two pitches (AKA they are not going to start, just be a solid closer or reliever). Can this be fixed in 14?

Also on the same issue with drafting, in real life there are gems and busts all the time, but before the draft players are usually rated pretty similarly across the board. In my draft however, some of the top rated players by my scout are rated as horrible career minor leaguers by the OSA and it doesn't make sense...

Thank you sir for the great game and hope to get a response, excited for 2014!

[Questdog]

Was this league imported from OOTP12? Or was it created from scratch with OOTP13?

Because the issue with 2-pitch pitchers was addressed in OOTP13, but it seems that imported leagues still suffer.....

[Matt Amick]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Was this league imported from OOTP12? Or was it created from scratch with OOTP13?

Because the issue with 2-pitch pitchers was addressed in OOTP13, but it seems that imported leagues still suffer.....

No it was only 2013. I just did a draft and literally all the pitchers have two pitches. Its just like flipping a coin that they will geta third pitch. So I just draft hitters...