Your first planned historical file..what moves do you have in mind? - Page 3

HockeyHippie · 01-23-2013, 01:30 PM

I for one can't wait for this, regardless of when the product is released. The fact a historical league won't have a minor league system is a little disconcerting, but I am just so happy to have a hockey sim again its something I can live with.

I have played EHM, as well as the OOTP product, for years, and I am quite excited to see what Sebastian comes out with, and how we can help improve it.

I initially thought I would begin my franchise prior to the 1988-89 season so I could make sure Doug Gilmour remained with my beloved St Louis Blues, which will satisfy my desire to have two of my favorite all-time players, Gilmour and Roddy Brind'Amour, as well as Selke winner Ricky Meagher (yes, I tend to appreciate defensive-minded players) play in St Louis together. But after thinking about it, and driven by the fact Joey Mullen was my first favorite player and traded by St Louis on Feb 1, 1986, I think I might have to go back and start with the 1986 season, the first year I was introduced to hockey, specifically the St Louis Blues.

After this, I will then try to right all the wrongs brought upon the Blues franchise by Mike Keenan. Will also try to avoid the Scott Stevens/Brendan Shanahan fiasco and eventual ruling by NHL arbitrator Judge Houston. Of course that means neither Stevens or Shanny might not ever be on the Blues roster, but that's why I look forward to this endeavor.

Thanks Sabastian and everyone else working on this project and I for one am glad we're not seeing them much online here. Less forum time=more coding time.

Go Blues!

HockeyHippie · 01-23-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big T

LOL..... Do you think that the Habs would have still made the deal for Roy if the their trading partner was the Nordiques, not the Avalanche?

Doubtful. As a Blues fan living in Denver, I have mixed feelings on whether or not I wish the Nords had ever moved to Denver. My feelings are probably influenced by the fact the Avs have *owned* my Blues throughout their time here in Denver. Ugh.

yougo1000 · 01-23-2013, 05:07 PM

Probably will have a Blackhawks one from the Bobby Hull era and I will try to win a cup for the Leafs

The Yeti's Growl · 01-27-2013, 01:47 PM

1996-97 Colorado Avalanche
2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

AESP_pres · 01-27-2013, 02:02 PM

Same thing I always do with OOTP : Play with my favorite team from beginning to end.

With OOTP it's the Expos from 1969 and with FHM that will be the Nordiques from 1979.

AESP_pres · 01-27-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big T

LOL..... Do you think that the Habs would have still made the deal for Roy if the their trading partner was the Nordiques, not the Avalanche?

it would have made no difference whatever Roy would or wouldn't had been on the team. He wasn't the reason why the team won the Cup and a prominent goaltender is easy to find if you have the material for a trade (wich was obviously the case with the Avalanches). If he was that good Montreal would have won more than 2 Cups from 1985 through 1995...

Hockey is a team sport not a one player sport...

YZG · 01-28-2013, 12:22 PM

Historical play has a limited appeal to me, but there's one thing I'd like to try. I'd take the expansion California Seals in '67 and try to make them something else than the perennial bottom-dwellers that they were.

One question, though. If I take control of a team that is known to relocate/fold in the future, does that relocation/folding occurs as planned or is avoided by default? I'd like to keep them in Oakland until modern days.

dmacpgh82 · 01-28-2013, 12:58 PM

id probably take over the penguins in the late 80's after the drafting of Mario and build the team as close to real life as they went but trying to pick up some more vital pieces here and there, maybe try to keep jagr around instead of the penguins going through their fire sale era of the late 90 early 2000's

maybe take control of the oilers and maybe try to lure mike bossy away from the islanders because either way if you are running the oilers and have gretzky or messier, adding bossy to that team would have been killer. or with the oilers take them as they are now and see how thy develop with their young core of forwards, then maybe trade one away to get the top defense/goalie they will need to win a cup

and maybe try my hand in running the maple leafs and see if i can have more success than their management has not had since their last cup win, maybe i wont give up that number 2 pick for kessel and then draft seguin

actually, there are a lot of scenarios and teams of the ages to take control of to see how things go, heck i may even take a stab at running the flyers...

geckon · 01-28-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YZG

One question, though. If I take control of a team that is known to relocate/fold in the future, does that relocation/folding occurs as planned or is avoided by default? I'd like to keep them in Oakland until modern days.

I don't know what will be the default behavior but you will certainly be able to prevent any relocation/folding/expansion. You should also be able to add one.

johan25 · 01-28-2013, 09:07 PM

I would love to take over the Sens right after expansion and stop the drafting of Daigle and Yashin.

I wanna know how the game is going to treat guys who were drafted late but turned out to be stars, like Alfie or Datsyuk, will they still go late in the draft or will they be picked higher, or never become stars?

Habsfan18 · 01-28-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johan25

I would love to take over the Sens right after expansion and stop the drafting of Daigle and Yashin.

I wanna know how the game is going to treat guys who were drafted late but turned out to be stars, like Alfie or Datsyuk, will they still go late in the draft or will they be picked higher, or never become stars?

Jeff has stated that guys like Datsyuk and Alfie will be top candidates in their draft classes.

Orioles1966 · 02-05-2013, 12:02 PM

I was reading about the Hartford Whalers at Wikipedia and didn't know that as part of the agreement to merge with the NHL,the Boston Bruins requested that the Whalers change their name from New England Whalers to Hartford Whalers. What a bunch of babies.

RoPa · 02-05-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

I was reading about the Hartford Whalers at Wikipedia and didn't know that as part of the agreement to merge with the NHL,the Boston Bruins requested that the Whalers change their name from New England Whalers to Hartford Whalers. What a bunch of babies.

They also complained years ago when the Penguins changed their colours claiming that they owned the rights to the black and gold.

Orioles1966 · 02-05-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RoPa

They also complained years ago when the Penguins changed their colours claiming that they owned the rights to the black and gold.

Its hard to believe that an NHL team was afraid of a WHA team. Once the Whalers left Boston they never were quite the same. They were having a hard time getting home dates at the Boston Garden which is hard to believe because early the Boston Braves(AHL) also shared the Garden with the Celtics,Bruins and Whalers.

What year did the Penguins switch to black?

BostonRS14 · 02-25-2013, 11:59 AM

I'm definitely going with a modern day Bruins league, which I want to run concurrent with a Red Sox league in OOTP.

But, in terms of historical, I've always thought (and it's theory few would disagree with) that Mike Milbury was a horrible GM. I want to see what would happen if he didn't blow the rebuild of the franchise in the late 90's/early 2000's.

Milbury's "reign" started in the 1995/96 season and lasted until 2006.

There are countless examples of Milbury's poor judgement and the frugal nature of the Islanders' owners, but to highlight a few:

February 6, 1998: Traded Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and Islanders' 3rd round choice (Jarkko Ruutu) in 1998 Entry Draft to Vancouver for Trevor Linden.
June 24, 2000: Drafted Rick DiPietro, first overall.
June 24, 2000: Traded Eric Brewer to Edmonton with Josh Green and Islanders' 2nd round choice (Brad Winchester) in 2000 Entry Draft for Roman Hamrlik.
June 24, 2000: Traded Olli Jokinen to Florida with Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
June 23, 2001: Traded Zdeno Chara to Ottawa with Bill Muckalt and the Islanders' 1st round choice (Jason Spezza) in 2001 Entry Draft for Alexei Yashin.
June 23, 2001: Signed Yashin to a 10 yr., $87.5m contract
June 24, 2001: Traded Tim Connolly to Buffalo with Taylor Pyatt for Michael Peca.
September 21, 2006: Signed DiPietro to a 15 yr., $67.5m contract.

Of course the draft is a crap shoot, and hindsight is 20-20, but there were some notable misses:

1995: R1, #2: Wade Reddon, passed on Shane Doan, Jarome Iginla, Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Marc Savard, Miikka Kiprusoff
1996: R1, #3: J.P. Dumont, passed on Derek Morris, Tomas Kaberle, Danny Breiere
1996: R3, #56: Zdeno Chara
1997: R1, #4: Roberto Luongo
1997: R1, #5: Eric Brewer, passed on Marian Hossa
1998: R1, #9: Mike Rupp, passed on Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne, Robyn Regehr, Scott Gomez, Brad Richards, Pavel Datsyuk, Brian Gionta
1999: R1, #5, Tim Connolly
1999: R1, #8, Taylor Pyatt
1999, R1, #10: Branislav Mezei, passed on Nick Boynton, Martin Havlat, Jordan Leopold
2000: R1, #1, Rick DiPietro, passed on Dany Heatley, Marian Gaborik
2000: R1, #5: Raffi Torres, passed on Scott Hartnell, Henrik Lundgvist
2001: R1, #2, traded to Ottawa (Jason Sepzza)
2002: R1, #22: Sean Bergenhim, passed on Cam Ward, Duncan Keith, Jiri Hudler,
2003: R1, #15: Rober Nilsson, passed on Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber
2004: R1, #16: Petteri Nokelainen, passed on Travis ZZajac, Wojtek Wolski, cory Schneider, Mike Green, David Krejci, Johan Franzen, Ryan Callahan.

That's 15 picks in 10 drafts and there was only probably Chara, Luongo, Connolly, Pyatt and Reddon would be repicked now, not a good track record.

Mafarfloune · 02-25-2013, 02:20 PM

I'm a weirdo, and instead of going the "what if my team hadn't drafted that terrible bust" way, I'll probably try to go the "what if Player X didn't bust" way. I want to see if some big disappointments are salvageable.

Could Alexandre Daigle become a good player if he were actually forced to work his way up instead of just being given the top Center spot over a more productive player?

Is Patrik Stefan salvageable in any way?

Can Rick DiPietro avoir the injury bug and have a successful career?

What if Dan Blackburn didn't get his left shoulder destroyed?

What if Brett Lindros didn't have to retire at 20 due to concussion problems?

Can the players drafted/developed during the notoriously bad management of the Canadiens' Rejean Houle era (Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard) actually become decent players in different circumstances.

Could Pat Falloon build up on his impressive rookie season, or is he destined to fail to match the promise of a beautiful career?

Can Bryan Fogarty overcome his personal issues and become the great player he had the talent to be?

What if the Lightning didn't give up on Alex Svitov so fast?

And so on...

Habsfan18 · 02-27-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mafarfloune

I'm a weirdo, and instead of going the "what if my team hadn't drafted that terrible bust" way, I'll probably try to go the "what if Player X didn't bust" way. I want to see if some big disappointments are salvageable.

Could Alexandre Daigle become a good player if he were actually forced to work his way up instead of just being given the top Center spot over a more productive player?

Is Patrik Stefan salvageable in any way?

Can Rick DiPietro avoir the injury bug and have a successful career?

What if Dan Blackburn didn't get his left shoulder destroyed?

What if Brett Lindros didn't have to retire at 20 due to concussion problems?

Can the players drafted/developed during the notoriously bad management of the Canadiens' Rejean Houle era (Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard) actually become decent players in different circumstances.

Could Pat Falloon build up on his impressive rookie season, or is he destined to fail to match the promise of a beautiful career?

Can Bryan Fogarty overcome his personal issues and become the great player he had the talent to be?

What if the Lightning didn't give up on Alex Svitov so fast?

And so on...

This is something I've also always been interested in, but to be honest I'm not sure how much I can see that working out in FHM.

From everything I've read, Jeff has stated that the database will rate players based on their actual NHL careers - and NOT based on what their potential was at the time of their drafting.

So, expect guys like Svitov, Ryan, Stefan etc.. to be rated fairly low. Expect 1 or 2 star ratings and potential etc...

At least that's what I understand from Jeff's previous posts.

01-23-2013, 01:30 PM	#41
HockeyHippie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 103	I for one can't wait for this, regardless of when the product is released. The fact a historical league won't have a minor league system is a little disconcerting, but I am just so happy to have a hockey sim again its something I can live with. I have played EHM, as well as the OOTP product, for years, and I am quite excited to see what Sebastian comes out with, and how we can help improve it. I initially thought I would begin my franchise prior to the 1988-89 season so I could make sure Doug Gilmour remained with my beloved St Louis Blues, which will satisfy my desire to have two of my favorite all-time players, Gilmour and Roddy Brind'Amour, as well as Selke winner Ricky Meagher (yes, I tend to appreciate defensive-minded players) play in St Louis together. But after thinking about it, and driven by the fact Joey Mullen was my first favorite player and traded by St Louis on Feb 1, 1986, I think I might have to go back and start with the 1986 season, the first year I was introduced to hockey, specifically the St Louis Blues. After this, I will then try to right all the wrongs brought upon the Blues franchise by Mike Keenan. Will also try to avoid the Scott Stevens/Brendan Shanahan fiasco and eventual ruling by NHL arbitrator Judge Houston. Of course that means neither Stevens or Shanny might not ever be on the Blues roster, but that's why I look forward to this endeavor. Thanks Sabastian and everyone else working on this project and I for one am glad we're not seeing them much online here. Less forum time=more coding time. Go Blues! __________________ Loyal follower since OOTP 3 was released in 2001.

01-23-2013, 05:07 PM	#43
yougo1000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 652	Probably will have a Blackhawks one from the Bobby Hull era and I will try to win a cup for the Leafs __________________ Teams I like: Cubs Bears Bulls Hawks and Kansas JayHawks

01-27-2013, 01:47 PM	#44
The Yeti's Growl Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	1996-97 Colorado Avalanche 2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

01-27-2013, 02:02 PM	#45
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 3,993 Blog Entries: 25	Same thing I always do with OOTP : Play with my favorite team from beginning to end. With OOTP it's the Expos from 1969 and with FHM that will be the Nordiques from 1979.

01-28-2013, 12:22 PM	#47
YZG Moderator Join Date: May 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 367	Historical play has a limited appeal to me, but there's one thing I'd like to try. I'd take the expansion California Seals in '67 and try to make them something else than the perennial bottom-dwellers that they were. One question, though. If I take control of a team that is known to relocate/fold in the future, does that relocation/folding occurs as planned or is avoided by default? I'd like to keep them in Oakland until modern days.

01-28-2013, 12:58 PM	#48
dmacpgh82 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 44	id probably take over the penguins in the late 80's after the drafting of Mario and build the team as close to real life as they went but trying to pick up some more vital pieces here and there, maybe try to keep jagr around instead of the penguins going through their fire sale era of the late 90 early 2000's maybe take control of the oilers and maybe try to lure mike bossy away from the islanders because either way if you are running the oilers and have gretzky or messier, adding bossy to that team would have been killer. or with the oilers take them as they are now and see how thy develop with their young core of forwards, then maybe trade one away to get the top defense/goalie they will need to win a cup and maybe try my hand in running the maple leafs and see if i can have more success than their management has not had since their last cup win, maybe i wont give up that number 2 pick for kessel and then draft seguin actually, there are a lot of scenarios and teams of the ages to take control of to see how things go, heck i may even take a stab at running the flyers...

01-28-2013, 09:07 PM	#50
johan25 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 56	I would love to take over the Sens right after expansion and stop the drafting of Daigle and Yashin. I wanna know how the game is going to treat guys who were drafted late but turned out to be stars, like Alfie or Datsyuk, will they still go late in the draft or will they be picked higher, or never become stars?

02-05-2013, 12:02 PM	#52
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	I was reading about the Hartford Whalers at Wikipedia and didn't know that as part of the agreement to merge with the NHL,the Boston Bruins requested that the Whalers change their name from New England Whalers to Hartford Whalers. What a bunch of babies.

02-25-2013, 11:59 AM	#55
BostonRS14 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 1,028 Blog Entries: 1	I'm definitely going with a modern day Bruins league, which I want to run concurrent with a Red Sox league in OOTP. But, in terms of historical, I've always thought (and it's theory few would disagree with) that Mike Milbury was a horrible GM. I want to see what would happen if he didn't blow the rebuild of the franchise in the late 90's/early 2000's. Milbury's "reign" started in the 1995/96 season and lasted until 2006. There are countless examples of Milbury's poor judgement and the frugal nature of the Islanders' owners, but to highlight a few: February 6, 1998: Traded Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and Islanders' 3rd round choice (Jarkko Ruutu) in 1998 Entry Draft to Vancouver for Trevor Linden. June 24, 2000: Drafted Rick DiPietro, first overall. June 24, 2000: Traded Eric Brewer to Edmonton with Josh Green and Islanders' 2nd round choice (Brad Winchester) in 2000 Entry Draft for Roman Hamrlik. June 24, 2000: Traded Olli Jokinen to Florida with Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. June 23, 2001: Traded Zdeno Chara to Ottawa with Bill Muckalt and the Islanders' 1st round choice (Jason Spezza) in 2001 Entry Draft for Alexei Yashin. June 23, 2001: Signed Yashin to a 10 yr., $87.5m contract June 24, 2001: Traded Tim Connolly to Buffalo with Taylor Pyatt for Michael Peca. September 21, 2006: Signed DiPietro to a 15 yr., $67.5m contract. Of course the draft is a crap shoot, and hindsight is 20-20, but there were some notable misses: 1995: R1, #2: Wade Reddon, passed on Shane Doan, Jarome Iginla, Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Marc Savard, Miikka Kiprusoff 1996: R1, #3: J.P. Dumont, passed on Derek Morris, Tomas Kaberle, Danny Breiere 1996: R3, #56: Zdeno Chara 1997: R1, #4: Roberto Luongo 1997: R1, #5: Eric Brewer, passed on Marian Hossa 1998: R1, #9: Mike Rupp, passed on Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne, Robyn Regehr, Scott Gomez, Brad Richards, Pavel Datsyuk, Brian Gionta 1999: R1, #5, Tim Connolly 1999: R1, #8, Taylor Pyatt 1999, R1, #10: Branislav Mezei, passed on Nick Boynton, Martin Havlat, Jordan Leopold 2000: R1, #1, Rick DiPietro, passed on Dany Heatley, Marian Gaborik 2000: R1, #5: Raffi Torres, passed on Scott Hartnell, Henrik Lundgvist 2001: R1, #2, traded to Ottawa (Jason Sepzza) 2002: R1, #22: Sean Bergenhim, passed on Cam Ward, Duncan Keith, Jiri Hudler, 2003: R1, #15: Rober Nilsson, passed on Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber 2004: R1, #16: Petteri Nokelainen, passed on Travis ZZajac, Wojtek Wolski, cory Schneider, Mike Green, David Krejci, Johan Franzen, Ryan Callahan. That's 15 picks in 10 drafts and there was only probably Chara, Luongo, Connolly, Pyatt and Reddon would be repicked now, not a good track record.

02-25-2013, 02:20 PM	#56
Mafarfloune Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 80	I'm a weirdo, and instead of going the "what if my team hadn't drafted that terrible bust" way, I'll probably try to go the "what if Player X didn't bust" way. I want to see if some big disappointments are salvageable. Could Alexandre Daigle become a good player if he were actually forced to work his way up instead of just being given the top Center spot over a more productive player? Is Patrik Stefan salvageable in any way? Can Rick DiPietro avoir the injury bug and have a successful career? What if Dan Blackburn didn't get his left shoulder destroyed? What if Brett Lindros didn't have to retire at 20 due to concussion problems? Can the players drafted/developed during the notoriously bad management of the Canadiens' Rejean Houle era (Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard) actually become decent players in different circumstances. Could Pat Falloon build up on his impressive rookie season, or is he destined to fail to match the promise of a beautiful career? Can Bryan Fogarty overcome his personal issues and become the great player he had the talent to be? What if the Lightning didn't give up on Alex Svitov so fast? And so on...