Any Word About OOTP14 Features?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by silvam14

there are probably going to be at least two more versions until some major graphics update

I hope that you are right. And I hope that this horse does learn how to sing.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

It will certainly bring in users who like shiny objects and who have little or no understanding or appreciation for the nuts and bolts of baseball.

Exactly, we will get a lot of stupid demand by the "huge" dumb crowd who will came with that. The more knowledgeable users request will be put on the side because the game won't be a text game anymore but an arcade game with all the unrealist results coming with that.

Too bad as OOTP is the best baseball game I've ever seen... at least it won't happen soon, so I won't be a wasted egg immediatly.

[D-BacksJosh]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Madden was never a baseball sim nor a text sim.

Never said it was. But it is a 'game franchise'.

[BaseballMan]

I dont see ootp dying anytime soon. Difference between ootp and these other games that have came and gone is that this isnt just a job for Markus. Its a job and a passion. Sure he may need a break here and there but i dont see him losing interest. I think that would have already happened by now. But anything can happen. Wish ootp would some day be able to make the same quality games for other sports.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

He's my stepfather.

Malleus Dei?

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

...I have stated on many occasions, I am not "against" graphics. I have also stated I am not "interested" in graphics. So let me help you with that comprehension thing a little - being "against" something and being not "interested" in something are two completely different things. eg: I'm not interested in "MLB The Show" but I'm also not against it. It's just not the type of game that interests me.

Or, as I like to put it, more graphics are just not my cup of tea.

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

...Not me, I'm very very happy with what I have. This game doesn't need a whole lot more...

I agree 100%.

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

...I respect that others want the eye candy and micro management. Me, I just want to manage "baseball"...

...Bottom line for me - go ahead, spend time on graphics and other eye candy. I'll move on from OOTP and find something else to play. The loss of one customer isn't going to bother Markus in the least. Adding graphics he should be able to get 1000's of new customers according to you, so no loss at all.

PS - save the "DUMB" - "You'd stop playing OOTP if they add graphics" question. I get that one all the time. Yes, I will stop playing/buying OOTP when the graphics come in.

Markus's game - his rules on how he develops it.

My money - my rules on where I spend it.

Well said.

Actually, when enhanced graphics are introduced, I will just not buy the new versions anymore because that sort of thing is just not for me. I will also wish Markus good luck and good fortune and sincerely hope that his efforts win him many thousands of new customers.

BUT I will continue to play the older versions of OOTP because they are, to me, the best text-based sports management sims ever created.

[The Wolf]

As I said, graphics will drive away some of this community. It will lose a lot of valuable, long-time members and significant contributors, people who helped to make the game what it is today.

But, hey, shiny objects.

[silvam14]

Is there an echo in here?

[The Wolf]

Sh-sh-sh-sh-i-n-y o-b-b-b-b-j-e-c-t-s!

[Rich Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Exactly, we will get a lot of stupid demand by the "huge" dumb crowd who will came with that. The more knowledgeable users request will be put on the side because the game won't be a text game anymore but an arcade game with all the unrealist results coming with that.

Too bad as OOTP is the best baseball game I've ever seen... at least it won't happen soon, so I won't be a wasted egg immediatly.

From what I understand the graphics would be dependent upon the text outcome. So how would the graphics create unrealistic results if the graphics are simply being fed from the results of the text?

So if the text says "Ground ball to short" instead you'll see it visually. Why is that so bad. I would imagine they'll be options that allow you to do text only. Text and graphics or just graphics. I don't see why this is such a big deal for you the "really smart" crowd. Seeing as how all the people who want to see graphics are dumb.

I've had every version of OOTP since 3 and I have stuck around even when the feature list hasn't been to my liking or things seem to be going in a total opposite direction than what I would like to see. However I love the game so I stick with it and hope down the line Markus gets to some of the things that I would like to see.

Graphics will not kill OOTP, my take would be that placating to a small minority of vocal users that want the most obscure stuff and make the game more and more of a chore than an actual game does far more harm.

Thanks for listening.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Rich Tiger Fan

From what I understand the graphics would be dependent upon the text outcome. So how would the graphics create unrealistic results if the graphics are simply being fed from the results of the text?

Despite Markus' assertion that this would just be a graphical layer on the current game engine, the anti-graphics crowd tries to sway people to their side by basically stating as fact that this will turn OOTP into an arcade game where your fast-twitch reactions and a Wii controller will now dictate all results.

Remember, in all things assume the most laughable case is most likely case.

It's awesome when people are bailing on the game based on wild leaps of logic concerning potential features three or four versions down the road.

[D-BacksJosh]

Yeah, and I'm not going to buy the new Jaguar SKR because they put a new graphical LCD touchscreen computer control panel inside. Seems that is all they are going to focus on now, 'shiny objects'.


Well that, and I don't have enough money to buy one!

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Despite Markus' assertion that this would just be a graphical layer on the current game engine, the anti-graphics crowd tries to sway people to their side by basically stating as fact that this will turn OOTP into an arcade game where your fast-twitch reactions and a Wii controller will now dictate all results.

Remember, in all things assume the most laughable case is most likely case.

It's awesome when people are bailing on the game based on wild leaps of logic concerning potential features three or four versions down the road.

This.

Not only are people saying graphics are going to turn OOTP into RBI Baseball, but some are taking it even further by suggesting OOTP's imminent demise after implementing some graphics by virtue of this ultra-minority threatening to take their ball and go home.

[The Wolf]

Wow, can you guys exaggerate!

Some of the old guard will leave. Shiny object lovers will replace them. The game may or may not fail because of graphics. But it will change, and not for the better. OOTP has always been a text-based stats game and has been successful because it owns that niche. What happens when it tries to become the next Earl Weaver Baseball nobody knows for sure.

Although we do know what happened to Earl Weaver Baseball.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Despite Markus' assertion that this would just be a graphical layer on the current game engine

Uh, no. Markus: "I would want the results engine to calculate the basic play result, but the physics/visualization engine modify the result if necessary"

[The Wolf]

In RBI Baseball and other graphics-oriented computer baseball games doesn't the results engine calculate the basic play result, which is then modified by the physics/visualization engine?

Think about that for a minute.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Wow, can you guys exaggerate!

Some of the old guard will leave. Shiny object lovers will replace them. The game may or may not fail because of graphics. But it will change, and not for the better. OOTP has always been a text-based stats game and has been successful because it owns that niche. What happens when it tries to become the next Earl Weaver Baseball nobody knows for sure.

Although we do know what happened to Earl Weaver Baseball.

It may or may not fail, but one thing is certain, If Markus had his way, this game would have had some graphics from the outset, and to deny that adding eye candy that will be benign to the impeccable stats engine he has built over the years won't expand his customer base (and Markus' wallet) and potentially lead to better things is foolhardy.

all of this talk about OOTP going the way of EWB is the definition of exaggeration if you ask me. Markus has busted his tail to make what he has probably and survived the whole SI merger/split. How about putting a little faith in the guy when it comes to his product. Has he not earned it from all of his long time loyal customers.

By all accounts, OOTP hasn't been a financial windfall for Markus, and if adding graphics fulfills his vision of what he always wanted his game to be and at the same time give him better financial flexibility, I think he should do it and I believe he will be successful. He deserves him some glory hole!

I honestly can't believe I am still having this conversation with you Wolf, I said a day or two ago (and you agreed) the decision as been made and that's that.

I think people are tired of you taking taking a steaming dump on every graphics conversation that has popped up with your negativity. Lets just let this thing play out.

[The Wolf]

If you guys stop pointing out the upside of graphics I'll stop pointing out the downside. Then we can just watch it play out.

[raginhood]

I'm glad some of the OLD guard will leave. Most of them are snobs, arrogant and rude and think they own this place and what Markus does. lol It IS laughable to say the least. They have this DELUSION that if they quit that the game will fail and Markus will go out of business. Totally Laughable as usual coming by the OLD guard. I remember them during Creative Assemply's move from OLD grog style Total War to the NEW Total War and yah know some of them are still there whining about the changes. hahahaha Why didn't they leave like they SAID the would? lol Mainly it's just OLD people who don't like change. They want a game to be made the way THEY want it forever an ever and any CHANGE to it is the end of the world (their world mostly lol). Who cares let em go they had their time now it's OUR TIME!

[The Wolf]

Yeah, us old guys in our thirties need to step aside and let you teenagers run things.