Drool Time: The (almost) Perfect Player

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Yes, thanks to Mr. Bobble, who I see visited this thread today. I don't think he will mind if you go to post #31 (and #34) in this thread:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-new-skin.html

I'm surprised not to see these mods on OOTPmods.com. They were on PadreFans web site previously; I'll PM Bobble. These are too good to be lost in virtual space and time.

They can certainly be made available if people want them. What has to happen to ... er, make that happen?

[PsychoBulk]

Excellent, thanks both.

edit: where do i put them?

creating an "images" folder within the dark skin folder didnt work, nor did just putting them outside it.

Any help appreciated.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Very good analysis, JMD. Are you a baseball scout? 'Cause you just talked like one!

Thanks, but I'm about as far from a scout as you can get. I'm more of an analytical type, really, as I have the hand-eye coordination and scouting eye of Helen Keller.

[philliesphan26]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Same with me. This is the type of thing that I love doing, following career arcs like this. I had this guy shortlisted after he left me just to see what happened to him. He didn't last long.

As far as how I play, I usually play all my games out, believe it or not. I only sim when my teams stink and I've given up hope for the season. I crank out games at a rapid rate by playing one-pitch, short and instantaneous PbP, and that wonderful play until RISP button (although sometimes it makes me laugh when 4 runs goes up on the board - two two-run home runs in the same inning, but nobody was ever in scoring position! ).

Damn, I'm impressed! I wish I had the diligence to manage most of my games, as I feel like that'd give me a better "attachment" to my players. Examining the box scores after every game is good enough for me though, and it lets me go by at a relatively quick pace

[Sven Draconian]

Career VORP/WAR?

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Bobble

They can certainly be made available if people want them. What has to happen to ... er, make that happen?

There's a "Submit" button near the top of the OOTPMods home page. When you click it, it activates your e-mail program with somebody's e-mail address pre-populated. That looks like it.

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

Career VORP/WAR?

I'll look tonight if I can.

Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

Excellent, thanks both.

edit: where do i put them?

creating an "images" folder within the dark skin folder didnt work, nor did just putting them outside it.

Any help appreciated.

I'll post later or tomorrow. It can be done easily enough.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

Excellent, thanks both.

edit: where do i put them?

creating an "images" folder within the dark skin folder didnt work, nor did just putting them outside it.

Any help appreciated.

This is what you do, and I'm talking Windows. If you're on a Mac, you will have to edit this to fit your setup.

Go to where your game is INSTALLED (not where your saved games folder is located; my saved games folder is in My Documents, the default). On my machine, the game is installed here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 13.

In that folder, there is a folder called data and in that one there is a folder called skins. So the complete address is C:\Program Files (x86)\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 13\data\skins.

In the skins folder are three more folders corresponding to the three skins available in this game. Drill down into each of those to the folder called images. Now the complete address is C:\Program Files (x86)\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 13\data\skins\ootp 13\images, where "ootp 13" in that address could also be "ootp 13 classic" or ootp 13 dark."

In each of those image folders, you will see the original player_mood and player_status icons that come with the game. You should copy over the contents of the zip files in Bobble's thread over these files. Don't change any file names! Do the same for all three skins.

Now the important part. Nothing is going to happen unless you rename or delete the skin.bin file in each skins folder (that is, each skin that you intend to use with the new icons). Go one level back up to locate this file; for example, C:\Program Files (x86)\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 13\data\skins\ootp 13. Either rename it, say, "skin_old.bin," or delete it if you feel lucky.

Skin.bin is the file in which the game imports all of those images and combines them into the skin that you use in your graphical interface. By deleting it, or renaming it, you force the game to rebuild the file the next time you start the game, using that skin (NOTE - it may take a while). The game takes a snapshot of the new mood and status icons and includes them in the skin interface. So, you no longer see happy/frowny faces for player moods; you see cool thumbs instead (I show four of the six below).

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

Career VORP/WAR?

See below. Actually, he had some rather fine seasons and he was a very good player. He just wasn't the superstar that I expected when I first saw him.

[Déjà Bru]

Follow up to the posts on Bobble's icons:

1) Back up the images folders before you do anything.

2) While the mood thumbs are still great and work well with OOTP 13, Bobble's player status icons, upon closer inspection, probably are no longer an improvement on what comes with the game IMO. He did do these a few years ago, after all.

The only game default player status icon that I don't like is the "cold" status icon. For that one, I would substitute this (the file name is "player_status_cold.png"):

[Sven Draconian]

Based on those VORP/WAR numbers, guy should definitely be in the HoF.

[Déjà Bru]

Hmmm. 7 seasons of 100+ RBI. 9 straight seasons of scoring 100+ runs. 12 straight seasons batting .288 and above. Eight time All-Star, one MVP award.

I'm warming up to the idea. Anybody else think he's HOF-worthy?

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Hmmm. 7 seasons of 100+ RBI. 9 straight seasons of scoring 100+ runs. 12 straight seasons batting .288 and above. Eight time All-Star, one MVP award.

I'm warming up to the idea. Anybody else think he's HOF-worthy?

I think your reasoning is pretty weak here (RBIs and Runs mean he had good teammates, then batting average?), but I'd like to see his fielding stats before saying whether I think he's a HOFer or not.

He's right on the line. For a player defined (pending fielding stats) primarily by his bat, his counting stats are weak. His offensive rate stats are quite good, but not HOLY CRAP AWESOME good.

Based on the spread between his VORP and WAR, it looks like he ceased to be an excellent fielder after his age 28 season, and was actually a liability from age 32 onward to the end of his career.

I think his offensive numbers put him right on the borderline. If he was an excellent fielder in CF or RF for most of his career, then I think I'd put him in.

Since he had two distorting home fields in his career, from one extreme to the other, I'd focus on OPS+ here. A career 136 OPS+ would make his closest comps who are active players Travis Hafner, Matt Holliday, Adrian Gonzalez, and Josh Hamilton. I would not call any of those players definite HOFers, so I think we need to see how the defense compliments the offense.

Using B-ref, his career WAR would put him right in between Ken Griffey, Sr. and HOFer George Davis on the All-Time list.

His rate stats are really good, but not great, and when you combine those with 398 HRs and 2442 hits, I'm not sure he's a HOFer. Let's see the defensive stats.

[yougo1000]

It also depends though on how players at his position in that era performed.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by yougo1000

It also depends though on how players at his position in that era performed.

Well, that's where the defensive ratings help us as well, I think. "His position" could have been CF, RF, or LF in his prime. A bunch of +10 ZR/+1.05 EFF years as a CF in his prime years would tell me a fair bit more than having some same numbers in LF. If an era just happened to have other awesome CFers playing at the same time, I wouldn't hold that against this guy. I think OPS+ and the fielding ratings would do a fair enough job of comparing him to his peers in a vacuum anyway.

[Bobble]

I sent the mood icons to OOTPmods.com, Bru. Thanks for the push to make that happen.

[Sven Draconian]

Originally Posted by JMDurron

I think your reasoning is pretty weak here (RBIs and Runs mean he had good teammates, then batting average?), but I'd like to see his fielding stats before saying whether I think he's a HOFer or not.

He's right on the line. For a player defined (pending fielding stats) primarily by his bat, his counting stats are weak. His offensive rate stats are quite good, but not HOLY CRAP AWESOME good.

Based on the spread between his VORP and WAR, it looks like he ceased to be an excellent fielder after his age 28 season, and was actually a liability from age 32 onward to the end of his career.

I think his offensive numbers put him right on the borderline. If he was an excellent fielder in CF or RF for most of his career, then I think I'd put him in.

Since he had two distorting home fields in his career, from one extreme to the other, I'd focus on OPS+ here. A career 136 OPS+ would make his closest comps who are active players Travis Hafner, Matt Holliday, Adrian Gonzalez, and Josh Hamilton. I would not call any of those players definite HOFers, so I think we need to see how the defense compliments the offense.

Using B-ref, his career WAR would put him right in between Ken Griffey, Sr. and HOFer George Davis on the All-Time list.

His rate stats are really good, but not great, and when you combine those with 398 HRs and 2442 hits, I'm not sure he's a HOFer. Let's see the defensive stats.

Huh? Ken Griffey Sr has a career WAR of 31.
His war is almost identical to Ken Griffey Jr (Probably a first ballot guy).

When you compare him to a Paul Molitor, who was primarily a DH, he has an additional 7 WAR and an OPS+ advantage (136 to 122). You can make the same comparison with Robin Yount (War 72, OPS+ 115). Those guys both had 3,000 hits (which is importantly, apparently).

If you want to go with guys who didn't hit the counting stats, you have Johnny Bench (72, 126 OPS+)

In fact, there are 0 Hall of Famers with a WAR above 75 that are no in the hall of fame who are eligible to be (Rose, Bagwell, Glavine, Mussina, and Grif Jr).

The fact he put up those insane WAR numbers without playing long enough to put up the counting stats is impressive. He had 10 consecutive seasons over 5 WAR. His stretch from 37-39 is incredible. Guy is a hall of famer.

EDIT: Forgot bags was eligible this year.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by Sven Draconian

Huh? Ken Griffey Sr has a career WAR of 31.
His war is almost identical to Ken Griffey Jr (Probably a first ballot guy).

When you compare him to a Paul Molitor, who was primarily a DH, he has an additional 7 WAR and an OPS+ advantage (136 to 122). You can make the same comparison with Robin Yount (War 72, OPS+ 115). Those guys both had 3,000 hits (which is importantly, apparently).

If you want to go with guys who didn't hit the counting stats, you have Johnny Bench (72, 126 OPS+)

In fact, there are 0 Hall of Famers with a WAR above 75 that are no in the hall of fame who are eligible to be (Rose, Bagwell, Glavine, Mussina, and Grif Jr).

The fact he put up those insane WAR numbers without playing long enough to put up the counting stats is impressive. He had 10 consecutive seasons over 5 WAR. His stretch from 37-39 is incredible. Guy is a hall of famer.

EDIT: Forgot bags was eligible this year.

You know, when I saw that the list said "Ken Griffey", without the "Jr.", I assumed it was senior. You are correct, it was Ken Griffey Jr.

Oddly enough, that single chink in my previous post has brought me around. I would put him in.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by JMDurron

I would put him in.

Thanks guys. I hope you enjoyed this thread as much as I did.