Rant

[FightingIgs]

I play every game one-pitch, and have won 2 World Series in a row... I've seen some superstar players crash and burn, Justin Verlander just hasn't been the same for me since he tore his rotator cuff, but hey - that's life. I chose Jose Reyes with my 2nd round pick in the inaugural draft, at about $20 mill a year. Now he's regressed to the point after 3 seasons that as a free agent, he's asking 1.3 mill and there's no takers. But you know, this baseball world of mine went on a different tangent from real-life since the beginning -- and that's the randomness of this game that I love.

As for the game crashing, I lost about a month's worth of play due to a crash and now I'm the poster child for backup. I backup my game *every day* and also move the data files and backups to different devices/locations as well. It's a few minutes of extra effort that are well worth it. OOTP certainly isn't perfect, but what is? I love it, and compared to the OOTP 3 that I started on - it's light years ahead

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by KentCol

Thanks for your input. No, I'm not a troll. As I said, I've played every OOTP since the beginning. As far as limited experience, I assume you mean 2 and a half full seasons is a limited experience?
To all, sorry I ever brought this up. I know everyone here loves this sim and so do I. But to me my experience has been different with this version. That's all I'm saying. I guess this is why I rarely post.

Just because we haven't seen it is no reason to back off from posting as long as you are posting honestly. There may well be a bell curve for this sort of thing that you are the bad end of. Or you may be doing something really wrong.

Nobody called you a liar or expressed certainty that you were a troll, and I frankly doubt if you are either. All that I can tell you is what I wrote: that I've been playing out games since 6.5 - and I have played out a trainload of games in 13 - and that I have never seen what you posted that you have seen. Ever.

It just makes me wonder how the heck you are seeing it. And I can't help but think that you are likely doing something really wrong.

But don't stop posting. All facts are useful.

[The Wolf]

OPW:

The crashing may very well be related to your system configuration. I have a stable vanilla Windows 7 box with a lot of memory (16GB, I do some high-end engineering stuff with it) and OOTP never crashes on it. I also have a laptop with the same version of Windows, and OOTP does crash on it - rarely, but it has crashed twice now.

I suspect that the hardware that we're playing the game may have a lot more effect on the game crashing or not crashng than we think it does.

[Shucker]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I play out every game in one-pitch mode (since 6.5). I have not seen what the OP says he has seen. Ever.

So you have never scored 4 runs and had the opponent come back to tie or go ahead the next inning? Ever? I find that more fascinating than the original post.

Look, I play one-pitch as well and it always seems like something isn't going my way and I don't blame the game, just the way the ball bounces. But to summarily dismiss his point, when his point was he had a pitcher get shelled for 3 games in a row or had the opponent come back after scoring 4 runs, is more ignorant than his complaint. That **** happens.

The point is his reaction to these plausible things rather than countering with you have never had an opponent come back after you score 4 runs. Ever.

[Shucker]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Just because we haven't seen it is no reason to back off from posting as long as you are poeting honestly. There may well be a bell curve for this sort of thing that you are the bad end of. Or you may be doing something really wrong.

Nobody called you a liar or expressed certainty that you were a troll, and I frankly doubt if you are either. All that I can tell you is what I wrote: that I've been playing out games since 6.5 - and I have played out a trainload of games in 13 - and that I have never seen what you posted that you have seen. Ever.

It just makes me wonder how the heck you are seeing it. And I can't help but think that you are likely doing something really wrong.

But don't stop posting. All facts are useful.

Wow, do I feel like a douche for calling you out after reading this reasoned response? It is just that the first one came across as so dismissive and reactionary. Now I admit that I was reactionary. Sorry Wolf.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Shucker

So you have never scored 4 runs and had the opponent come back to tie or go ahead the next inning? Ever? I find that more fascinating than the original post.

Look, I play one-pitch as well and it always seems like something isn't going my way and I don't blame the game, just the way the ball bounces. But to summarily dismiss his point, when his point was he had a pitcher get shelled for 3 games in a row or had the opponent come back after scoring 4 runs, is more ignorant than his complaint. That **** happens.

The point is his reaction to these plausible things rather than countering with you have never had an opponent come back after you score 4 runs. Ever.

I don't think that's what Wolf was saying. He was saying that the opponent doesn't come back from 4 runs consistently to the point of being funny and predictable, like the OP says.

I think anyone who plays this game on a regular basis has gone through stretches where it seems like the game has a cheat code (for lack of a better term), but we understand that it doesn't mean the game is broken or working incorrectly.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by KentCol

Thanks for your input. No, I'm not a troll. As I said, I've played every OOTP since the beginning. As far as limited experience, I assume you mean 2 and a half full seasons is a limited experience?
To all, sorry I ever brought this up. I know everyone here loves this sim and so do I. But to me my experience has been different with this version. That's all I'm saying. I guess this is why I rarely post.

You're not a troll.. I don't think anyone is implying that here.

Can you show me your pitcher stats last season? I've had stud pitchers have off seasons and then come back and win 20 games, I've had hitters who hit .280 one year and the next struggle to hit .240. We all know in baseball, we need data to see what's going on in your universe.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I don't think that's what Wolf was saying. He was saying that the opponent doesn't come back from 4 runs consistently to the point of being funny and predictable, like the OP says.

Exactly, and thank you.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Shucker

Wow, do I feel like a douche for calling you out after reading this reasoned response? It is just that the first one came across as so dismissive and reactionary. Now I admit that I was reactionary. Sorry Wolf.

Sorry. I was telling the truth as best I know it both times, as always.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You're not a troll.. I don't think anyone is implying that here.

Can you show me your pitcher stats last season? I've had stud pitchers have off seasons and then come back and win 20 games, I've had hitters who hit .280 one year and the next struggle to hit .240. We all know in baseball, we need data to see what's going on in your universe.

Yes. I'd like to see his settings, too. This is really odd.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

So, after posting on this thread and defending the franchise, I went offline, continued to play OOTP, and won a World Series. First one in a while, so I was happy about that. Then during the post season process, OOTP crashed to desktop.

I loaded my game back up, and yep... my World Series ring is gone, 3 hours of RL play time is gone (I do a lot of minor league roster moves at the end of the year), and my interest in playing OOTP is gone. I'm likely done with it for the next few months at least.

I'll just point out this sort of stuff isn't limited to small PC games like OOTP. You can find similar issues in big budget console titles. Gears of War 3, for example, had an issue where the game would freeze and upon restarting the game your rank, medals, unlocks, and ribbons would all be reset. More than a few people experienced that, and saw the many hours of play it took to unlock the characters, weapon skins, game mutators, reach level 100, etc., were all gone. (Happened to me, though fortunately I wasn't on my own Xbox at the time so the damage was limited.)

[Hageneezz]

Originally Posted by KentCol

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But, I'm to the point of giving it up and moving to the competitor, which I actually don't really care for.

Is there any??

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

Is there any??

I was wondering this myself.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

Is there any??

Not really. Diamond Mind and SOM only do season replays and PureSim perpetually remains unready for prime time.

I like PureSim but it just never steps up. It's always in the dust, gazing off at a speeding OOTP in the far distance.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Not really. Diamond Mind and SOM only do season replays and PureSim perpetually remains unready for prime time.

I like PureSim but it just never steps up. It's always in the dust, gazing off at a speeding OOTP in the far distance.

I have to agree. PureSim has some very nice features, but for me it's just too far behind OOTP. Plus, it plays so darn slow. I bet I can play out 3 or 4 games of OOTP in the time it takes me to play out 1 PureSim game. The short PBP instant is one of the best features Markus ever introduced.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Well, I'm writing based upon a decade of playing this game, with different versions and different PC's, and I can tell you that no game I've played long term -ever- has blown up on me as much as OOTP. I play plenty of other games too, some just as resource intensive as this one, and none comes close. So if my different PC's have been off, they have all been off in a similar way that affects only the various versions of OOTP and not other games. It is the sole reason why OOTP is not my all time favorite game - I love it when things are working, but in the end I simply can't trust it like I do other games.

Of course the crashing isn't constant. If it was I wouldn't be here. But it does happen often enough to harm the overall experience and send me away from the game for months on end.

But you know... I should know better than to rise to that and escalate the tone here. Believe me regarding my experiences or not. If the game has always worked perfectly for you, that's great. Your tale has warmed my heart. I'll remember it fondly when I'm spending the next few months playing FM.

Fyre, I'll figure out a way to deal with it in the end. I simply can't replay a year or even a couple of months that I've already played before... it brings me no enjoyment. Next time I make up a league, I'll create one that's much less demanding resource wise, try doing a daily save, and see how it works out for me. Thanks for your help.

Anyway, I've spoken my piece and it's not my intent to come off as a troll. It was dangerous for me to post on this rant thread right after a crash. Most of you understand what my frame of mind was like, I'm sure. I'll move along now.

Originally Posted by KentCol

Thanks for your input. No, I'm not a troll. As I said, I've played every OOTP since the beginning. As far as limited experience, I assume you mean 2 and a half full seasons is a limited experience?
To all, sorry I ever brought this up. I know everyone here loves this sim and so do I. But to me my experience has been different with this version. That's all I'm saying. I guess this is why I rarely post.

Well said, you two guys, and a good way to end this thread.

OPW, I hope you return to this game, perhaps in a newer version and/or a different computer setup. I don't doubt your experience and frustration but I can only say that if your experience and frustration were more common to other users, you would be seeing many more "RANT" threads on this board. One final piece of advice: Look for a common theme in your "different PC's" setups that may explain this phenomenon. For example, do you use a certain, less well-known anti-virus program that may not do well with OOTPB?

KC, I am relieved that you are not a troll! And I hope you will come back and post more in the future. Yes, I think the solution to your problem is two-fold: 1) Expecting strict adherence of short-term results to reality. This game does not actually know James Shields from a hole in the ground and, although the tendency for him to be good is there, you are 2) Overlooking the randomness and the need for longer-term simulation for results to approach real life. All said in my humble opinion, of course.

[MizzouRah]

I would still like to see a screen shot on last year's pitching stats for your team.