Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia etc.

[ElQuapo]

How will the game deal with the eastern bloc countries in historical mode?

Do players with Soviet nationality also have a field in the database for which nationality they will get when the Soviet Union breaks up? Russia, Latvia, Belarussia etc. etc.? Same thing goes with Czechoslovakia splitting ud into The Czech Republic and Slovakia.

Will we be able to draft players from the eastern bloc, and bring them over to the NHL once they are allowed to around 1989-90? Will the game also block us from signing them earlier than this?

Will the game bring international play into historical mode in later versions? Would be awesome to have Olympics, Canada Cup etc. with the Soviet Union.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by ElQuapo

How will the game deal with the eastern bloc countries in historical mode?

Do players with Soviet nationality also have a field in the database for which nationality they will get when the Soviet Union breaks up? Russia, Latvia, Belarussia etc. etc.? Same thing goes with Czechoslovakia splitting ud into The Czech Republic and Slovakia.

Will we be able to draft players from the eastern bloc, and bring them over to the NHL once they are allowed to around 1989-90? Will the game also block us from signing them earlier than this?

Will the game bring international play into historical mode in later versions? Would be awesome to have Olympics, Canada Cup etc. with the Soviet Union.

Good questions.

I have no idea what the Dev's have done but I'm interesed in Eastern Europe/Soviet Union stuff so...

Regarding the nationality of players they could just do it like, Sandis Ozolins for instance. Latvian D-man who was born in 1972 in Sigulda, Latvia. Yet it says for his info Sigulda, Soviet Union (But still give him a Latvia icon or give him a Soviet&Latvian Icon)

Sandis Ozoli

[geckon]

Speaking of players' nationality another question appeared on my mind...

For Russian KHL teams there is a rule which forbids more than five (I'm not sure about the number, sorry if I'm wrong) non-russian players to play a game. This rule doesn't apply to all KHL clubs though. At least HC LEV Praha is freed from that and I think all non-russian clubs are. Will the game respect that? I hope it will.

Thanks for the answer.

Originally Posted by geckon

Speaking of players' nationality another question appeared on my mind...

For Russian KHL teams there is a rule which forbids more than five (I'm not sure about the number, sorry if I'm wrong) non-russian players to play a game. This rule doesn't apply to all KHL clubs though. At least HC LEV Praha is freed from that and I think all non-russian clubs are. Will the game respect that? I hope it will.

Thanks for the answer.

Geckon you are right. And an interesting question to ask! The rule is as you say a Russian KHL team is limited to 5 non-russian players. Non-Russian teams can have whoever they like to stay competitive

[geckon]

Originally Posted by Garethw87

Geckon you are right. And an interesting question to ask! The rule is as you say a Russian KHL team is limited to 5 non-russian players. Non-Russian teams can have whoever they like to stay competitive

I am sure you know that but for the record I'll add that there is still the rule enforcing four young players (21 or younger) to play. This one is applied to every KHL team.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by ElQuapo

Do players with Soviet nationality also have a field in the database for which nationality they will get when the Soviet Union breaks up? Russia, Latvia, Belarussia etc. etc.? Same thing goes with Czechoslovakia splitting ud into The Czech Republic and Slovakia.

No, that's a limitation of the database right now, modern countries only. So Larionov, Makarov, etc. are marked as Russian, the Stastnys as Slovaks, Balderis as Latvian, and so on. It doesn't really have a big impact on the historical game, since there's no international play.

Will we be able to draft players from the eastern bloc, and bring them over to the NHL once they are allowed to around 1989-90? Will the game also block us from signing them earlier than this?

Depends on the options you choose during setup. If you have all players appearing at 17, yeah, you'll be able to draft Fetisov in 1976. If it's set so they don't appear until their historical NHL appearance, no Fetisov until 1989.

(That requires a little more explanation: "historical NHL appearance" in most cases will mean when the player became property of an NHL team, via the draft or signing as a free agent. But NHL teams drafted some Soviets and Czechoslovakians before they were free to leave, and it doesn't make a lot of sense for, say, Fetisov to join the NHL in 1978 when Montreal drafted him. So for the Iron Curtain players, I'm not going to make them NHL property until the time they were actually over here. If somebody really wants to do it differently so Montreal gets Fetisov in 1978 and Makarov goes to Calgary in 1983, they can edit it.)

Will the game bring international play into historical mode in later versions? Would be awesome to have Olympics, Canada Cup etc. with the Soviet Union.

It'd be great to have that. But there are challenges to be overcome - the problem with extinct nationalities, and adding enough international players to make some of those tournaments viable. The Canada Cup rosters wouldn't be hard to flesh out, but what do you do with the Olympics where there's Australia and Japan and Bulgaria?

[dave1927p]

I'm reading the book Breakaway about the iron curtain and the tales of the russians and czechoslovakian road to the NHL so i'm very much interested in this sort of thing. Hopefully for the second version it can be implemented

(Great book by the way for anyone who might be interested, by Tal Pinchevsky)

The Canada Cup rosters wouldn't be hard to flesh out, but what do you do with the Olympics where there's Australia and Japan and Bulgaria?

I guess you could do what EHM did and just put in ghost players for that country who are not talented. Not ideal but certainly did the trick. In the end, do those countries really matter to those tournaments? Not really because they'll get blown away each game anyways.

[geckon]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

I guess you could do what EHM did and just put in ghost players for that country who are not talented. Not ideal but certainly did the trick.

Maybe with an option for game fans to make the research and send you the rosters. They could be findable I think.

As far as I am concerned this feature can wait for future versions. Far more important for me is modern mode (which is why I would like to know an answer to my previous question;-))

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by geckon

As far as I am concerned this feature can wait for future versions. Far more important for me is modern mode (which is why I would like to know an answer to my previous question;-))

About the KHL roster rules? Yeah, there's a rules option to set the number of foreigners on a roster, and 'foreigners' is set at the team level, so for Russian teams it's non-Russians, Slovan Bratislava it's non-Slovaks, etc.

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by JeffR

About the KHL roster rules? Yeah, there's a rules option to set the number of foreigners on a roster, and 'foreigners' is set at the team level, so for Russian teams it's non-Russians, Slovan Bratislava it's non-Slovaks, etc.

What about in the NHL? I would like to add a limit of foreigners per team in my modern day NHL world. With that said I would like to see an option to set foreigners as league nationality as well as continent nationality. If a player is North American he is not a foreigner for example.

[geckon]

Originally Posted by JeffR

About the KHL roster rules? Yeah, there's a rules option to set the number of foreigners on a roster, and 'foreigners' is set at the team level, so for Russian teams it's non-Russians, Slovan Bratislava it's non-Slovaks, etc.

Well sorry, but this is a very bad solution. There is no nationality rule for non-russian teams. In HC LEV Praha for example there are 13 foreigners (mostly Slovaks but this doesn't matter) and 17 Czechs (+2 out on loan). For instance in the last match with Ufa 10 of those foreigners played.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by geckon

Well sorry, but this is a very bad solution. There is no nationality rule for non-russian teams. In HC LEV Praha for example there are 13 foreigners (mostly Slovaks but this doesn't matter) and 17 Czechs (+2 out on loan). For instance in the last match with Ufa 10 of those foreigners played.

Teams can be set to belong to either a nation or a region, so they could have both countries as their home. I'm not sure how Alessandro, who's doing the KHL research, is planning on handling it, but I know he and Sebastian have spent a lot of time discussing the KHL's unique roster rules and how to implement them. Like every league, they may not be able to get every single rule modeled perfectly, but it will be as close to realistic as they can get.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

What about in the NHL? I would like to add a limit of foreigners per team in my modern day NHL world. With that said I would like to see an option to set foreigners as league nationality as well as continent nationality. If a player is North American he is not a foreigner for example.

Yeah, you should be able to add that to the NHL.

There's also a 'softer' option that can be used to give a team a preference for its local region, so players from outside that region are rated lower by its scouts. The exact reduction can be set between 5 and 100%, so it can cover everything from Montreal having a slight preference for Quebec-born players to the college teams for the US Army and Air Force ignoring all non-Americans.

[geckon]

Originally Posted by JeffR

Teams can be set to belong to either a nation or a region, so they could have both countries as their home. I'm not sure how Alessandro, who's doing the KHL research, is planning on handling it, but I know he and Sebastian have spent a lot of time discussing the KHL's unique roster rules and how to implement them. Like every league, they may not be able to get every single rule modeled perfectly, but it will be as close to realistic as they can get.

Is it possible to set the region to the whole world or something similar? This would emulate the rule (or its absence more precisely said) correctly I think. Setting both nations maybe wouldn't be enough. There are 6 "non-czechoslovak" players and they play all of them at once very rarely (if at all) but nobody says it will be like that forever. The team isn't restricted at all, it just _wants_ to profile as a "Czechoslovak" team.

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by JeffR

There's also a 'softer' option that can be used to give a team a preference for its local region, so players from outside that region are rated lower by its scouts. The exact reduction can be set between 5 and 100%, so it can cover everything from Montreal having a slight preference for Quebec-born players to the college teams for the US Army and Air Force ignoring all non-Americans.

wow, i'm very impressed with that being in the first version. Very cool!

I will certainly be turning the Leafs ontario born players down and american born way up, probably rename them officially to Team USA too

[geckon]

I like that option too and I was pleasantly surprised to "hear" it will be in the first version, thanks. It can be used e.g. for LEV as they prefer Czechs and Slovaks in the real life.

If it will be also possible to let players of whatever nationality play (as in the real life) it will be great :-)

[ElQuapo]

Originally Posted by JeffR

Yeah, you should be able to add that to the NHL.

There's also a 'softer' option that can be used to give a team a preference for its local region, so players from outside that region are rated lower by its scouts. The exact reduction can be set between 5 and 100%, so it can cover everything from Montreal having a slight preference for Quebec-born players to the college teams for the US Army and Air Force ignoring all non-Americans.

Nice one - should also avoid them problem we had in EHM with the USNTP signing non-americans.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by JeffR

There's also a 'softer' option that can be used to give a team a preference for its local region, so players from outside that region are rated lower by its scouts. The exact reduction can be set between 5 and 100%, so it can cover everything from Montreal having a slight preference for Quebec-born players to the college teams for the US Army and Air Force ignoring all non-Americans.

That's very cool.

[flaquis010285]

Originally Posted by JeffR

Yeah, you should be able to add that to the NHL.

There's also a 'softer' option that can be used to give a team a preference for its local region, so players from outside that region are rated lower by its scouts. The exact reduction can be set between 5 and 100%, so it can cover everything from Montreal having a slight preference for Quebec-born players to the college teams for the US Army and Air Force ignoring all non-Americans.

That's a good stuff!!