International Baseball League setup questions...

[Electrovik]

Hi!

I want to setup an International Baseball League but I really don't know how to setup that kind of league...

Here's what I'm looking for... hope someone can help me with that!

I want to have a league in each country represented in the league (let's say 8 countries) containing 20 teams each.

After a number of years (20-30... I don't know), I'd like to create the International Baseball League, that would sign the best players from all those leagues and have no farm system.

How can I achieve something like that? Am I thinking about something that can't be done this way? If that's the case, do you have suggestions to make it possible (I'm open to suggestions!)?

Thank you all in advance!

Victor

[fhomess]

I haven't tried something like this in a few versions, but it's theoretically possible if you're having them all as idenpendent leagues and setting finances appropriately. I think the key would be having your international league as being able to pay a fair amount more than the national leagues. This would be like the majors and the independent leagues in the early part of the 20th century. The MLB/*** discrepancy of today isn't really wide enough, financially, to work in OOTP. *** players stay in Japan for reasons beyond strictly money.

Assuming you want the national leagues to have players mostly from their home country:
- Create each national league with very low (or zero) foreign players allowed.
- Make sure to define the national league as being in that country
- Set financials fairly low.
- Set free agency timelines such that players will be available to the international league at an appropriate age
- Allow free agents from this league to go to other leagues.

For the international league:
- Make sure to allow a high foreign player percentage
- Set financials much higher than the national leagues
- Consider setting a small reserve roster so that teams don't hoard players but still have some flexibility to replace injured players in a timely fashion.
- All this league to sign players from other leagues.

You'll also have to make sure that you have enough players in your league so that when you start up your international league, there are enough quality players to fill the rosters of those teams AND the holes vacated in your national leagues. If you don't, you'll either need to create some additional players or start out with a smaller international league and expand over time.

I like this idea... I may try it myself.

[nebradska]

You can also now set leagues to 'feed into other leagues' for a draft and if you don't set a max age in the league then every player will be available for the draft. You could do this for all of your national leagues to let the international teams draft the players.

The only issue is I'm not sure if OOTP treats this as releasing all the players for the draft or if they are simply plucked from the rosters as they're picked. Can someone advise on this?

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by fhomess

I haven't tried something like this in a few versions, but it's theoretically possible if you're having them all as idenpendent leagues and setting finances appropriately. I think the key would be having your international league as being able to pay a fair amount more than the national leagues. This would be like the majors and the independent leagues in the early part of the 20th century. The MLB/*** discrepancy of today isn't really wide enough, financially, to work in OOTP. *** players stay in Japan for reasons beyond strictly money.

Assuming you want the national leagues to have players mostly from their home country:
- Create each national league with very low (or zero) foreign players allowed.
- Make sure to define the national league as being in that country
- Set financials fairly low.
- Set free agency timelines such that players will be available to the international league at an appropriate age
- Allow free agents from this league to go to other leagues.

For the international league:
- Make sure to allow a high foreign player percentage
- Set financials much higher than the national leagues
- Consider setting a small reserve roster so that teams don't hoard players but still have some flexibility to replace injured players in a timely fashion.
- All this league to sign players from other leagues.

You'll also have to make sure that you have enough players in your league so that when you start up your international league, there are enough quality players to fill the rosters of those teams AND the holes vacated in your national leagues. If you don't, you'll either need to create some additional players or start out with a smaller international league and expand over time.

I like this idea... I may try it myself.

Thank you very much for all the details! I'm glad it seems realistic!

I think I will do some tests until I'm satisfied with the results... then I will start for good...

There's a lot of tiny details that you mentioned that need to be adjusted properly... so I'll give it a try!

If you try it, could you give me some feedback about your setup, problems you encountered?

Thank you fhomess!

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by nebradska

You can also now set leagues to 'feed into other leagues' for a draft and if you don't set a max age in the league then every player will be available for the draft. You could do this for all of your national leagues to let the international teams draft the players.

The only issue is I'm not sure if OOTP treats this as releasing all the players for the draft or if they are simply plucked from the rosters as they're picked. Can someone advise on this?

Thanks!

That's a good idea! I'm going to test that too!

I'm sure there is going to be some frustration setting that world up... but that'll be worth it!

Another question : Once I created all the leagues, if I save my world as a template, will it save the leagues setup only or does it include the rules and the other settings? I mean, if I create my initial country leagues (a lot of work), if I save it as a template, can I review the rules when I load the template in a new game or it creates the game instantly?? I'm not familiar with the template usage...

[Honorable_Pawn]

*giggles to self*


Manual

[Honorable_Pawn]

My advice to you is forget about getting this right on the first try. Basically ignore logos, jerseys, caps, naming teams, changing cities, naming Best Pitcher awards, changing modifiers, changing scouts on/off, naming you manager, naming the world, naming the game, etc.

Forget about all the fluff.

Simply work on setting it up in its most basic form. Then sim, don't manage, don't GM, just sim. See how it works.

Once you are comfortable then make a keeper-league. This advice will save you a ton of preparation and the inevitable re-preparation time to get it so that you love it.

Honestly, this little extra step may seem like a time-consumer but it is, indeed, a time-saver.

You'll get it right! Enjoy the fun.

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

*giggles to self*


Manual

Yeah... I thought about it when I wrote it... But then, perhaps I wouldn't have received this advice :

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

My advice to you is forget about getting this right on the first try. Basically ignore logos, jerseys, caps, naming teams, changing cities, naming Best Pitcher awards, changing modifiers, changing scouts on/off, naming you manager, naming the world, naming the game, etc.

Forget about all the fluff.

Simply work on setting it up in its most basic form. Then sim, don't manage, don't GM, just sim. See how it works.

Once you are comfortable then make a keeper-league. This advice will save you a ton of preparation and the inevitable re-preparation time to get it so that you love it.

Honestly, this little extra step may seem like a time-consumer but it is, indeed, a time-saver.

You'll get it right! Enjoy the fun.

Yeah! That's what I'm going to do! I'm going to create "empty" practice leagues before!

Even if I dumbly asked for something that was in the manual, this advice was worth a thousand hours of game setting and resetting!

Thanks a lot Honorable_Pawn!

[nebradska]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

*giggles to self*


Manual

Ah, but the manual isn't always right.

"Note: You cannot affiliate an independent league with another league after creation. For example, you could not have a league that is independent for several years, and then affiliates with a major league." <http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/index.php?man=ootp13&page=adding_minor_leagues>

And I couldn't find anything about many of the new features, like the draft pool feeding I mentioned.

[nebradska]

Originally Posted by nebradska

You can also now set leagues to 'feed into other leagues' for a draft and if you don't set a max age in the league then every player will be available for the draft. You could do this for all of your national leagues to let the international teams draft the players.

The only issue is I'm not sure if OOTP treats this as releasing all the players for the draft or if they are simply plucked from the rosters as they're picked. Can someone advise on this?

It appears that all players are released, making the feeding option untenable.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Electrovik

Yeah... I thought about it when I wrote it... But then, perhaps I wouldn't have received this advice :



Yeah! That's what I'm going to do! I'm going to create "empty" practice leagues before!

Even if I dumbly asked for something that was in the manual, this advice was worth a thousand hours of game setting and resetting!

Thanks a lot Honorable_Pawn!

The whole manual/giggling thing was totally about a different thread. No trouble to help out. There is no such thing as a dumb question. Only dumb people that ask questions.

[dagmar]

Is there a way to create an international type structure with transfers instead of the American system of drafting and trades?

I much prefer that way of dealing with players (read: football).

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

The whole manual/giggling thing was totally about a different thread. No trouble to help out. There is no such thing as a dumb question. Only dumb people that ask questions.

Thanks... Thanks a lot...

[nebradska]

Originally Posted by dagmar

Is there a way to create an international type structure with transfers instead of the American system of drafting and trades?

I much prefer that way of dealing with players (read: football).

I don't think so. That's what I was trying to work out with the national leagues feeding into the international draft. Although it could work if you didn't mind your national rosters being scrambled after every draft.

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by nebradska

Ah, but the manual isn't always right.

"Note: You cannot affiliate an independent league with another league after creation. For example, you could not have a league that is independent for several years, and then affiliates with a major league." <http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/index.php?man=ootp13&page=adding_minor_leagues>

And I couldn't find anything about many of the new features, like the draft pool feeding I mentioned.

So I could not simulate my leagues for a few years and then create a new league that would feed into the already existing leagues?

I'm a little confused by all this...

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by nebradska

I don't think so. That's what I was trying to work out with the national leagues feeding into the international draft. Although it could work if you didn't mind your national rosters being scrambled after every draft.

What do you mean they were scrambled after every draft?

[fhomess]

Oh, wait... if you're looking to create international football in OOTP then you're not going to be able to do that. There's no concept of transfers, and you can't have players assigned to multiple teams. If you're looking to create national teams, like the Dutch playing the Germans or Spain versus Portugal, then you can only do that with ridiculous amounts of micromanagement control over EVERY roster on EVERY team. In other words, you can't do it. If you're looking to have a higher level league that players "graduate" to, you can kind of do that... but don't expect an international football experience.

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by fhomess

Oh, wait... if you're looking to create international football in OOTP then you're not going to be able to do that. There's no concept of transfers, and you can't have players assigned to multiple teams. If you're looking to create national teams, like the Dutch playing the Germans or Spain versus Portugal, then you can only do that with ridiculous amounts of micromanagement control over EVERY roster on EVERY team. In other words, you can't do it. If you're looking to have a higher level league that players "graduate" to, you can kind of do that... but don't expect an international football experience.

That's not what I want to achieve... I mean the international football experience.

What I wanted is A major league that would use several country leagues to sign players.

I think if I could draw a parallel, i would be like a player from the Can-Am league being signed in the big leagues...

Kind of...

[MUFC1878]

Originally Posted by Electrovik

That's not what I want to achieve... I mean the international football experience.

What I wanted is A major league that would use several country leagues to sign players.

I think if I could draw a parallel, i would be like a player from the Can-Am league being signed in the big leagues...

Kind of...

So, you basically want something like indy leagues along with a ML, except each league would be from a different country and you'd like the players to sort of get promoted to the ML?

You should try the feeder league option. When I turned a league into a feeder players made it into the draft. I think you have to set the draft date sometime before the feeding leagues end their season.

If you're looking to create national teams, like the Dutch playing the Germans or Spain versus Portugal, then you can only do that with ridiculous amounts of micromanagement control over EVERY roster on EVERY team. In other words, you can't do it.

If you set the league's rule foreign players limit to zero, and base the limit on the team's nationality, wouldn't that work?

I think the problem would the quality of baseball of each nation. Not sure. Also, I think you need to edit a bit of the world_default file. Don't remember correctly. I'll look it up since I'm trying to create a similar set-up.

[Electrovik]

Originally Posted by MUFC1878

So, you basically want something like indy leagues along with a ML, except each league would be from a different country and you'd like the players to sort of get promoted to the ML?

You should try the feeder league option. When I turned a league into a feeder players made it into the draft. I think you have to set the draft date sometime before the feeding leagues end their season.

Can I turn a league into a feeder league after several years of existence into a newly created league?

Would the players made it into the draft when their contract expires or could we sign them at anytime?

Thanks!