3-way tie for wildcard, tiebreaker?

[coljesep]

hey friends - so in my league after 162 games we had 3 teams finish 92-70 for the wildcard.

After Game 162 a game between Team A and Team B was automatically scheduled.

Does anybody know if Team C will get a chance at the winner? Is there a way I can set this up before A/B play?

Team C (not in current play-in) has an 8-4 record against BOTH Team A and Team B.

[coljesep]

bump - anything? please?

[BIG17EASY]

I don't have an answer, but I have a possible solution. Create a backup of the league and then go ahead and play that game that was automatically scheduled. If there isn't another game scheduled between the winner and Team C, then you can revert to the backup and then go ahead and schedule the two games correctly.

[coljesep]

I appreciate the idea - its an online league too, I can't believe nobody yet knows if there is a 3 way tiebreaker.

My HOPE is that Team C gets a shot at the winner, but I have to imagine in over 8 months or so of OOTP13, somebody out there has seen this no?

[The Wolf]

"Paging LGO! Please come to the courtesy desk, please."

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by coljesep

hey friends - so in my league after 162 games we had 3 teams finish 92-70 for the wildcard.

After Game 162 a game between Team A and Team B was automatically scheduled.

Does anybody know if Team C will get a chance at the winner? Is there a way I can set this up before A/B play?

Team C (not in current play-in) has an 8-4 record against BOTH Team A and Team B.

Assuming your tie is only between clubs for the wild card, and there is only one wild card position, in real life the clubs would be designated as Team A, B, and C based on their relative head-to-head records. The tiebreaking games played are as follows:

Day 1: B at A
Day 2: C at A/B (the winner of this game is the wild card)

If the tie was between three clubs for two wild card spots, then under the current MLB rules the tie would be resolved as follows. The clubs are designated as A, B, and C based on the relative head-to-head records. Two games are played:

Day 1: B at A (the winner of this game is the first wild card; the loser plays again on day two)
Day 2: A/B at C (the winner of this game is the second wild card)

Unfortunately, OOTP generally does not as yet recreate all the tiebreaking rules, particularly as it relates to three-way ties or simultaneous ties (i.e. a tie for the wild card and division title at the same time).

[thehef]

IMO the best way to handle tie-breakers is - after all games are complete on the last regularly-scheduled day of the year - to NOT finish the day and then manually schedule for the following day any additional tiebreaker games that you need. Then finish the day, and OOTP will then see the additional tiebreaker game(s) as part of the regular season, as it should. Then if, after the next day's tiebreaker games are complete, there is still a tie (and/or there are additional games to be played as part of a multi-team tiebreaker), don't finish that day. Instead, manually schedule additional tiebreaker games... Repeat as necessary.

Even w/o ties I always manually schedule playoffs because OOTP's playoff scheduling is not realistic.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

"Paging LGO! Please come to the courtesy desk, please."

You almost cost me half a glass of a very tasty wine.

Otherwise; clutch!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by RchW

You almost cost me half a glass of a very tasty wine.

Otherwise; clutch!

Thanks! The only wine I drink is very white and very dry...most people call it vodka.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by thehef

Even w/o ties I always manually schedule playoffs because OOTP's playoff scheduling is not realistic.

I've got a suggestion for that I'm going to pitch for OOTP 14: post-season schedule files. These are basically like the schedule files for the regular season, but instead are for the league's playoffs. With some added options and switches put into them, the user could have quite a bit more flexibility in how to arrange their playoff schedules than could be easily presented via the in-game menus.

Post-season schedule files would also be much easier for the user to customize than the regular season schedule files since there are far fewer teams and games involved in the playoffs.

[coljesep]

Well that sucked.

So just as an FYI - the 3rd team got screwed and had no shot at a playoff berth. Terrible job...

[hefalumps]

I've had the three-way tie happen twice with OOTP12 - both times I read ahead on the forums and found threads suggesting I manually schedule the tiebreaker games using the rules that LGO laid out, so I did. OOTP12 didn't handle three-way-ties very well, and it sounds like OOTP13 doesn't either.

Something to tuck away for the future - as thehef suggests, don't leave anything to chance - take it in your own hands and manually schedule those tiebreaker games before hitting "Finish Day" on the last day of games for the regular season. That worked for me with OOTP12.

[The Wolf]

I've never had a 3-way tie, only regular ones, and I'm glad I haven't because I thought this problem was fixed years ago. I am quite shocked that it was not.

[coljesep]

truth be told - I tried to schedule a Game 164 but couldn't figure it out. Shouldn't come to that but I had no idea how to add a game to the schedule after Game 163 was played.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I've got a suggestion for that I'm going to pitch for OOTP 14: post-season schedule files. These are basically like the schedule files for the regular season, but instead are for the league's playoffs. With some added options and switches put into them, the user could have quite a bit more flexibility in how to arrange their playoff schedules than could be easily presented via the in-game menus.

Post-season schedule files would also be much easier for the user to customize than the regular season schedule files since there are far fewer teams and games involved in the playoffs.

That would be awesome. Hope this idea makes it in.

[hefalumps]

Originally Posted by coljesep

truth be told - I tried to schedule a Game 164 but couldn't figure it out. Shouldn't come to that but I had no idea how to add a game to the schedule after Game 163 was played.

Well, if it ever happens to you again...

I'm doing this from memory (and it's been awhile), but I think what I did is this: after all the game 162s were played, I went to the League Setup menu and found the Schedule editor. I went to the day after the final day of the regular season and scheduled the tiebreaker game using the rules LGO posted. Then I advanced to the next day. OOTP automatically pushed the end of the regular season back a day, and my manually scheduled game was on the schedule. After I played that game, before advancing to the next day, I went back and manually scheduled the next tie-breaker for the following day. Rinse and repeat until your tie is broken. But you can keep scheduling regular season games over and over and over and OOTP will just keep pushing the end of the regular season until there are no regular season games on the schedule.

I don't have OOTP in front of me so I can't go through the details of exactly how to schedule the game, but once you find the schedule editor in the League Setup, I think it's pretty straight forward.

Hope that helps you in the future (or that OOTP14 handles this kind of stuff so we don't have to worry about it again)!

[oman19]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I've never had a 3-way tie, only regular ones, and I'm glad I haven't because I thought this problem was fixed years ago. I am quite shocked that it was not.

Yeah LGO and myself have been beating this drum for awhile now.

I just can't fathom how something so important to the credibility of any leagues results isn't handled better.

I just posted my wishlist in the OOTP 14 suggestion thread and put this as my number one issue. Would love to see some of us get behind it and post in that thread and hopefully get this looked at.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I've never had a 3-way tie, only regular ones ...

Strictly speaking, even 'regular' ties may not necessarily follow correct procedures. I had a test league in OOTP 13 beta where there were two divisions that each ended in a two-way tie. While each tie was correctly broken with a one-game playoff, the two games were scheduled on consecutive days, with one tiebreaking game on each day. In real life both games would have been played on the same day.

A small thing, but an unnecessary day of tiebreaking playoffs does impact the rest time of clubs.

[chickennoodle77]

Just had a three way tie in my league and remembered seeing this discussion a while back. The following worked for me in determining the tie breakers.

Three teams finished with 97-77 records (play 174 game season).

AL East
New York Yankees 97-77
New Orleans Cyclones 97-77

AL Central
Kansas City Royals 103-71
Detroit Tigers 102-72 (1st Wild Card Team)

AL West
Houston Astros 101-73
Seattle Mariners 97-77

The game automatically scheduled a regular season game between the Yanks and Cyclones. Prior to playing this game, I scheduled another game between the Yanks and Mariners for the next day (assumed the Yanks would lose but could have changed if not). Turns out the Yanks did lose and the East was awarded to the Cyclones.

Next day, standings indicated that the Playoffs were to begin and that Seattle had won the wild card. However, no playoff games were scheduled and the game I created was all that was on the agenda for the day. I simulated that game with the Yankees winning. Game corrected final standings to be as follows:

AL EAST
Cyclones 98-77
Yankees 98-78 (2nd Wild Card)

AL CENTRAL
Royals 103-71
Tigers 102-72 (1st Wild Card)

AL West
Astros 101-73
Mariners 97-78 (outside looking in)

In the end, the Tigers ended the Yankees season during the Wild Card play in game.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Strictly speaking, even 'regular' ties may not necessarily follow correct procedures. I had a test league in OOTP 13 beta where there were two divisions that each ended in a two-way tie. While each tie was correctly broken with a one-game playoff, the two games were scheduled on consecutive days, with one tiebreaking game on each day. In real life both games would have been played on the same day.

A small thing, but an unnecessary day of tiebreaking playoffs does impact the rest time of clubs.

They did it that way at the request of the TV network.