AI Request

rpriske · 10-02-2012, 09:54 AM

Something just happened in my game that makes me hope for a change to the AI in upcoming editions.

- I was playing the Blue Jays in a game against the Red Sox. Boston was winning 13-2 (sigh) in the top of the 9th when Mike Aviles got a 1-out single off Brad Lincoln. I (obviously) chose to not hold the runner.

Aviles stole second.

1st, I think that the AI should know better than to steal a base in a situation like that. It should be really, really rare. Maybe it is. How often are you in a situation like that?

Then, I did the appropriate thing when something like that happens. I hit the next batter (Jarrod Saltalamacchia).

I was expecting a warning or something from the ump but instead the game acted like it was accidental ("it grazed his uniform") and Salty took his base.

The next batter flew out but Aviles took 3rd. 2 out.

Next batter, when the count was NOT full (important) Salty went for 2nd, but the batter grounded out so I didn't get to retaliate again.

Two problems here, in my opinion:

1 - stealing with an 11 run lead in the top of the 9th? Really?

2 - intentionally hitting batters should have an effect other than just 'take your base' an an HPB.

Just my opinion. I love the immersive aspects of the game and this felt very, very wrong. The 'unwritten rules' are part of the game. It would be nice if they were part of this one.

Bluenoser · 10-02-2012, 11:04 AM

No arguement on point 1, but number 2, other than the warning, happens on a regular basis irl. I don't think warnings are built into OOTP, but not 100% sure on that.

SteveP · 10-02-2012, 01:11 PM

Intentionally hitting a batter has no consequences or reactions whatsoever. It has the same effect as an intentional walk. Awhile back I suggested that having that option in the game was silly, and even a bit juvenile. Did I take a pummeling ... Apparently there are a lot of people who like being able to hit a batter from time to time.

rpriske · 10-02-2012, 01:37 PM

I like having it in there, because it is a real thing... but only if there is an impact of doing so.

Otherwise, yes, it is just a duplication of the intentional walk option.

SteveP · 10-02-2012, 04:27 PM

The other point is that stealing when you are down a lot of runs is quite common -- it's called defensive indifference. The game, however, does not recognize defensive indifference as a distinct event.

rpriske · 10-02-2012, 04:30 PM

They didn't steal when DOWN 11 runs. They stole when UP 11 runs.

If you do that in real MLB you will be pilloried by your own team.

RchW · 10-02-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

The other point is that stealing when you are down a lot of runs is quite common -- it's called defensive indifference. The game, however, does not recognize defensive indifference as a distinct event.

Different context. Defensive indifference occurs when the stealing team is down more than one run. The idea being to get the batter out.

I've never seen a losing team practice defensive indifference.

SteveP · 10-02-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rpriske

They didn't steal when DOWN 11 runs. They stole when UP 11 runs.

If you do that in real MLB you will be pilloried by your own team.

Sorry, my mistake. In general, the game has no mechanism that detects when enough is enough. That is why you get a lot more very large and/or very lopsided scores in OOTP than IRL.

MLHFFYP · 10-03-2012, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

Intentionally hitting a batter has no consequences or reactions whatsoever. It has the same effect as an intentional walk. Awhile back I suggested that having that option in the game was silly, and even a bit juvenile. Did I take a pummeling ... Apparently there are a lot of people who like being able to hit a batter from time to time.

While what you say is true it brings up another point.

If there was an option to have umpires with ratings you could tie the intentional hitting of a batter to situations where the pitcher and/manager is affected. This would cause ejections which could impact games/leagues.

If you look at that thread you could see how it could be done. I think it would be very cool to see a real life situation played out in the game.

This is where I think Markus sometimes misses the boat a bit. Putting some things in, even if they are only options, gives the player more to look forward to in setting up his league. This is a good example.

Doctor No · 10-03-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

Intentionally hitting a batter has no consequences or reactions whatsoever. It has the same effect as an intentional walk. Awhile back I suggested that having that option in the game was silly, and even a bit juvenile. Did I take a pummeling ... Apparently there are a lot of people who like being able to hit a batter from time to time.

99% of the time that I do it, it's because I fat-finger (fat-mouse?) the "Visit Mound" option.

10-02-2012, 09:54 AM	#1
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,721	AI Request Something just happened in my game that makes me hope for a change to the AI in upcoming editions. - I was playing the Blue Jays in a game against the Red Sox. Boston was winning 13-2 (sigh) in the top of the 9th when Mike Aviles got a 1-out single off Brad Lincoln. I (obviously) chose to not hold the runner. Aviles stole second. 1st, I think that the AI should know better than to steal a base in a situation like that. It should be really, really rare. Maybe it is. How often are you in a situation like that? Then, I did the appropriate thing when something like that happens. I hit the next batter (Jarrod Saltalamacchia). I was expecting a warning or something from the ump but instead the game acted like it was accidental ("it grazed his uniform") and Salty took his base. The next batter flew out but Aviles took 3rd. 2 out. Next batter, when the count was NOT full (important) Salty went for 2nd, but the batter grounded out so I didn't get to retaliate again. Two problems here, in my opinion: 1 - stealing with an 11 run lead in the top of the 9th? Really? 2 - intentionally hitting batters should have an effect other than just 'take your base' an an HPB. Just my opinion. I love the immersive aspects of the game and this felt very, very wrong. The 'unwritten rules' are part of the game. It would be nice if they were part of this one.

10-02-2012, 11:04 AM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,224	No arguement on point 1, but number 2, other than the warning, happens on a regular basis irl. I don't think warnings are built into OOTP, but not 100% sure on that.

10-02-2012, 01:11 PM	#3
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	Intentionally hitting a batter has no consequences or reactions whatsoever. It has the same effect as an intentional walk. Awhile back I suggested that having that option in the game was silly, and even a bit juvenile. Did I take a pummeling ... Apparently there are a lot of people who like being able to hit a batter from time to time.

10-02-2012, 01:37 PM	#4
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,721	I like having it in there, because it is a real thing... but only if there is an impact of doing so. Otherwise, yes, it is just a duplication of the intentional walk option.

10-02-2012, 04:27 PM	#5
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	The other point is that stealing when you are down a lot of runs is quite common -- it's called defensive indifference. The game, however, does not recognize defensive indifference as a distinct event.

10-02-2012, 04:30 PM	#6
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,721	They didn't steal when DOWN 11 runs. They stole when UP 11 runs. If you do that in real MLB you will be pilloried by your own team.