Time for Update, Paul?

[BaseballMan]

I cant speak for developers but for users i would say i dont think its that bad.
I know my boot time is like a few secs compared to previous versions. I like the start screen better than clicking on the start menu and then s few more clicks till i find the program or dig through a bunch of shortcuts on my desktop. I like the task manager as it gives you more info.

[Cap]

Just heard from Paul regarding work on TB. As it was a PM I hope he elects to pass this info on to the general community.

Cap

[Bogie]

Originally Posted by Cap

Just heard from Paul regarding work on TB. As it was a PM I hope he elects to pass this info on to the general community.

Cap

Me too!

[Dregen]

As do I, I'm waiting a Boxing sim with a career mode with personalities and storylines coming into play..

I am wondering why some extra developers haven't been brought in to help out.

[pisdpaul]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I cant speak for developers but for users i would say i dont think its that bad.
I know my boot time is like a few secs compared to previous versions. I like the start screen better than clicking on the start menu and then s few more clicks till i find the program or dig through a bunch of shortcuts on my desktop. I like the task manager as it gives you more info.

The fast boot is a cheat of sorts.. By default Windows8 does not shutdown when asked, but puts itself to sleep. Just like a laptop hibernating/sleeping...

This works well for most users, unless like me you share the HD with another OS. Because as windows is still running just asleep the disk is locked and can;t be used. There is a setting in the control pannel to make it do a real shutdown if that bothers you at all.

[pisdpaul]

As Cap requested, here is the PM's we exchanged. There is no new information here but it might make things a little clearer for those posts I did not word clearly enough

Originally Posted by pisdpaul

I think you have misunderstood. I am not using Windows8 because a wanted to upgrade. I don't use windows as a general rule. I am building TB on Linux which I have installed and working well on all my PC's...

I have a windows8 dual boot as I have some work I need to do on OOTP Baseball to make it work as a Win8 Metro app. I also found out today that Apple have now enforced the use of Xcode4 for all apps, which like win8 does not work with old apps. So I also have iOOTP work to do too.

Its these support tasks that I must give priority too, that have my TB work paused. I wish I could just keep working and get TB into beta, but these other tasks are time critical!

Cheers

Paul

However, don't panic as I have my laptop to my side and I am working on TB during builds and in the evenings so things are still progressing. My heart is very much in getting TB out and I am putting as much effort into it that I can without neglecting my other duties. For example I have not made it to bed before midnight all week coz I am working on TB!

[BigFiasco]

Originally Posted by Dregen

As do I, I'm waiting a Boxing sim with a career mode with personalities and storylines coming into play..

I am wondering why some extra developers haven't been brought in to help out.

welcome to the club

[Cap]

Originally Posted by BigFiasco

welcome to the club

I'm assuming the simple answer is it would cut into the profit margin which is probably already slim. Old supply and demand economics at work where Title Bout is concerned. If this is still Andreas' baby, Paul and anyone else working on TB is coming out of his pocket, and I'm guessing that herr Raht is still mainly focusing on getting yet another version/patch of OOTP Baseball out as that is where the rent money is.

Cap

[professordp]

At this juncture my larger concern is how (and if) TBCB will work with the new Windows 8. Last week, a member posted that he had difficulty running the game with a pre-release version of Win 8.

This might have just been an indvidualized problem and thus no need for alarm. Still every PC game has it's o/s "ceiling"...APBA had to recently retool BBW to get it to work properly with Windows 7.

Down the road, will OOTP be willing to make adjustments to TBCB for it to function with emerging o/s? Or will the game fall by the wayside?

As Cap had indicated above, it comes down to supply and demand...and profit. Title Bout's history has been rather nomadic in the sense that since its inception thirty-five years ago, the game has passed through many hands with respect to its production.

If OOTP ultimately decides to just drop the game, what's next? In today's dark economic times, I don't see anybody rushing to take over and market a script-based sim of a sport that has substantially declined in popularity.

Like all the folks in this forum, I'd love to see a new version of TBCB. Yet, increasingly, my greatest wish is for the game to just survive.

[fredreed]

You are all wrong about windows 8. Windows 8 is very stable and in fact is the best operating system that Microsoft has developed since windows 2000. If you don't like windows 8 then fine don't buy it. But windows 8 is very good and I currently use the build that is out. It's far better then any of the other operating systems that have been out there like vista. Vista was a complete nightmare. As far as an update goes they will give the update when they feel it's time to give the update.

[professordp]

Originally Posted by fredreed

You are all wrong about windows 8. Windows 8 is very stable and in fact is the best operating system that Microsoft has developed since windows 2000. If you don't like windows 8 then fine don't buy it. But windows 8 is very good and I currently use the build that is out. It's far better then any of the other operating systems that have been out there like vista. Vista was a complete nightmare. As far as an update goes they will give the update when they feel it's time to give the update.

Did I say Windows 8 was a bad system? My question was will there be problems running TBCB with it.

Next time read things over several times until you comprehend what a person's stating before you fly off the handle, engage in hysterics, and behave like the south end of a northerly facing horse.

Good God!!!

[fredreed]

There are several games that do not work with windows 8 but those are older games. Most of the newer games shoud work just fine on windows 8. I would be very careful if you intend to play Older games on windows 8. TItle Bout Boxing should work just fine since its a relatively new game.

[professordp]

Originally Posted by fredreed

There are several games that do not work with windows 8 but those are older games. Most of the newer games shoud work just fine on windows 8. I would be very careful if you intend to play Older games on windows 8. TItle Bout Boxing should work just fine since its a relatively new game.

Have you tried TBCB with Windows 8 yet? I'd be interested in hearing about what you've expereinced.

There was a post last week in which another forum member indicated that he was having problems running it through Win 8. Then again, he was running a pre-release version.

Whenever a new o/s comes along, there are always casualties with respect to PC games. With XP , you lost all the Lance Haffner games (unless you played around with a DOSbox). APBA's BBW couldn't be played in Windows 7 (until recently) without tweaking or using the XP virtual.

This was the entire thrust of my initial post.

TBCB 2.5 was released nearly five years ago, when Vista was the new o/s. Since that time MS will have released two subsequent o/s with Windows 8. So since 2007, there's been three o/s produced.

At this rate, an o/s seems to be around about two years before a new one comes along. Will OOTP keep up the pace? That's my biggest concern.

By the way, I was under the impression that Windows 8 wasn't going to be released for another five weeks. What version of Win 8 are you using?

[pisdpaul]

Originally Posted by fredreed

There are several games that do not work with windows 8 but those are older games. Most of the newer games shoud work just fine on windows 8. I would be very careful if you intend to play Older games on windows 8. TItle Bout Boxing should work just fine since its a relatively new game.

I feel the need to clarify here, most exsiting games will run on Windows8 as a "desktop app". This means you leave the new Metro style dashboard and go to a cut down tradition desktop to run the app. The most confusing thing at start is that there are no menus on the desktop. You soon learn, for me by accident, that waving to mouse at either side of the screen opens some control tabs. The left one is a sort of task manager, the right access back metro and settings etc.

Microsoft are pushing for developer to convert their apps into "Metro" apps. These run from the dashboard without switching to the desktop mode. This is what I am doing now for TB and OOTP. The development environment and API has changed a *LOT* and now feels very similar to Android development.

So in summary, there are two different modes apps can run on Windows8, and once I have finished my current task, both OOTP and TB will run in both.....

[professordp]

Originally Posted by pisdpaul

I feel the need to clarify here, most exsiting games will run on Windows8 as a "desktop app". This means you leave the new Metro style dashboard and go to a cut down tradition desktop to run the app. The most confusing thing at start is that there are no menus on the desktop. You soon learn, for me by accident, that waving to mouse at either side of the screen opens some control tabs. The left one is a sort of task manager, the right access back metro and settings etc.

Microsoft are pushing for developer to convert their apps into "Metro" apps. These run from the dashboard without switching to the desktop mode. This is what I am doing now for TB and OOTP. The development environment and API has changed a *LOT* and now feels very similar to Android development.

So in summary, there are two different modes apps can run on Windows8, and once I have finished my current task, both OOTP and TB will run in both.....

Thanks for the detail, but I got lost in the tall grass along the way.

My question was, as it is presently being sold, are there any problems at this very moment that one might encounter in running TBCB in Windows 8?

I'm not interested in learning that "most games" will run in Windows 8...I just want to know if TBCB will run in it without any problems.

A simple yes or no is all I'm looking for here.

[fredreed]

I'm currently playing OOTP 13 under windows 8 and it's playing just fine without any major issues. If your having problems playing Title Bout boxing then you probably would need to email them with the nature of your problem. I haven't really been playing TBB yet since I did have issues playing it under earlier versions of windows like Vista. However I am sure that they probably will test it first very much before releasing it to us. Most of the newer games that are designed here should work just fine under windows 8. If you have any problems with playing older games like earlier versions of OOTP baseball.then that might be where you would have issues since those versions came out well before windows 8 did. I am using build 8400 of windows 8 and having no problems. I do believe that windows 8 will be released either in October or this November.

[pisdpaul]

Here is the results of testing on my windows8 evalutation setup:

OOTP 13: runs in desktop mode
TB 2012: runs in desktop mode (will support metro mode soon(ish))
TB 2.5: Installs but won't start in Desktop mode.

I can't be sure, but I suspect its the TB2.5 copy protection thats failing.

I hope this helps....

[fredreed]

Paul I would email tech support about the error your getting for playing Title bout boxing 2.5. Paul explain to them in as much detail as you can like operating system you are using directx using and memory, also graphics card that you have installed. Because if you can't play the game then they may need to come out with a new executable file for Title Bout Boxing for people playing the game under windows 8.

[professordp]

Originally Posted by pisdpaul

Here is the results of testing on my windows8 evalutation setup:

OOTP13: runs in desktop mode
TB2012: runs in desktop mode (will support metro mode soon(ish))
TB2.5: Installs but won't start in Desktop mode.

I can't be sure, but I suspect its the TB2.5 copy protection thats failing.

I hope this helps....

Thank you, that's exactly the clarification I was seeking.

[professordp]

Originally Posted by fredreed

I'm currently playing OOTP 13 under windows 8 and it's playing just fine without any major issues. If your having problems playing Title Bout boxing then you probably would need to email them with the nature of your problem. I haven't really been playing TBB yet since I did have issues playing it under earlier versions of windows like Vista. However I am sure that they probably will test it first very much before releasing it to us. Most of the newer games that are designed here should work just fine under windows 8. If you have any problems with playing older games like earlier versions of OOTP baseball.then that might be where you would have issues since those versions came out well before windows 8 did. I am using build 8400 of windows 8 and having no problems. I do believe that windows 8 will be released either in October or this November.

Err..I didn't ask you about OOTP; I asked about TBCB. So then you really don't know if it runs under Windows 8 since you haven't tried it.