PCL with Negro Leaguers

Furious · 08-15-2012, 01:18 PM

I bought the game a few days ago (OOTP11—the most recent version my system supports) hoping the following would be possible:

A league where the PCL exists alongside the Majors but declares itself a major and integrates 20 years before the "eastern" majors do.

I've downloaded Cooleyvol and ctorg's PCL database and Spritze's "no asians" database. Are these all I need? Do they work together?

I am a complete novice, I've never even played OOTP—but from what I've been reading it seems like what I'm trying to do is possible. The directions that come with the PCL database seem clear enough, so I don't think I'll have a problem getting that part of it to work, it's the addition of the Negro Leaguers that I'm unclear on. Since Spritze's db contains PCL players, is the PCL database even necessary? Or does it contain something that the Spritze db does not?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cooleyvol · 08-15-2012, 02:00 PM

Spritze's db has MLB and PCL players in it. If you only want the PCL and Negro players, you'll need to merge the two db together into one. Remember, 1958 starts the fictional player portion of your league (as far as PCLers goes).

Sprite's 'no asians' db does not give you ONLY Negro Leaguers. I 'think' you'll have to manually pull them out and place them in the PCL db.

Furious · 08-15-2012, 04:36 PM

Thanks, Cooleyvol.

Actually, I need for there to be MLB players, PCL Players, AND Negro Leaguers; I want the PCL to consist of players from all three sources, while the NL and AL will be made up of just MLB and PCL players, plus fictional players to pad out the rosters (if necessary).

With that configuration, do I still need your database, or will Spritze's suffice? Does yours contain anything that his is missing?

Cooleyvol · 08-15-2012, 04:57 PM

I have no clue how you're going to basically use three different databases for one league, basically.

Furious · 08-15-2012, 07:26 PM

I have far less of a clue about any of this than you do. Like I said, complete novice, haven't even played the game yet.

What three databases are you referring to? I mentioned two—your PCL db and Spritze's non-asian db. My question was, is there anything in your PCL db that isn't included in Spritze's?

Spritze's database has PCL, MLB and Negro League players—that's ONE database, right? Isn't that all I need? Or am I missing something?

Spritze · 08-15-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious

Or am I missing something?

OOTP does not differentiate PCL or Negro League players from AL and NL players. Only NL and AL teams are recognized. So OOTP does the mixmaster thing on the full component of players. Maybe OOTP17 will have more than 2 historical league designations but 13 don't.

Furious · 08-15-2012, 08:15 PM

I'm not sure I need it to do that anyway. It would be nice if it put all the PCL players on their proper PCL teams but if it can't, I can do that manually; I'll be moving players from one team to another anyway.

What I still don't know is what, if anything, I need from the Cooleyvol/ctorg PCL database if your database already includes all the PCL players.

Spritze · 08-16-2012, 02:44 AM

Everything in their db is in the OOTP 13 Spritze HS database.

BUT

It's got all the Asians as well. Very few are good enough to play in the bigs though. Only the top 1 or 2 percent make the majors usually.

The No Asians db doesn't have PCL players as it was from before they were added.

I plan on updating the Spritze OOTP13 HS database this weekend, maybe I should make a new No Asians one at the same time.

Furious · 08-16-2012, 10:49 AM

I should have specified—the db I was looking at was this one:

Spritze DB for OOTP 11 - Real Debut, Real Team, No Asians

It definitely has PCL players and Negro Leaguers in it, I just wasn't sure if it had all the PCL players.

I have some other questions but I think I'll just start tinkering around with what I have and see what happens, hopefully that will give me a better understanding about how all this stuff works. Then I'll pop back in and hound you guys some more.

Thanks a lot for your help, and for your work on these databases. It is very much appreciated.

Spritze · 08-16-2012, 11:59 AM

OOTP11 databases are not compatible with OOTP12/OOTP13.

Furious · 08-16-2012, 08:15 PM

That's okay, 12 & 13 aren't supported by my antiquated OS, so I'm running OOTP 11 (see original post).

Furious · 08-18-2012, 11:07 AM

And the barrage of annoying questions begins...

Referring to the aforementioned OOTP 11 Spritze files:

1) Where did the Negro League stats in the database come from?

2) Why is there a Batting.csv and a Batting2.csv? What is the difference between them?

3) I'm able to edit the .csv files easily enough, but the game doesn't recognize the changes. I'm guessing this means I need to edit the historical_database.odb file as well. Can I do that in a text program or do I need something else?

Furious · 08-26-2012, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furious

And the barrage of annoying questions begins...

Referring to the aforementioned OOTP 11 Spritze files:

1) Where did the Negro League stats in the database come from?

2) Why is there a Batting.csv and a Batting2.csv? What is the difference between them?

3) I'm able to edit the .csv files easily enough, but the game doesn't recognize the changes. I'm guessing this means I need to edit the historical_database.odb file as well. Can I do that in a text program or do I need something else?

Anyone else know the answers to any of these questions?

Spritze · 08-27-2012, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furious

Anyone else know the answers to any of these questions?

I do.
1) They are compiled from 4 or 5 or 6 different sources depending on the player. Every source seems to have different set of compiled stats so I made a program that sorts them all out and gives a consenus opinion. The consensus is what is used.

2) In the Spritze db there is no difference between them.

3) ODB files cannot be edited. The various csv's are non-functional if the ODB file is present. To activate them delete the ODB file.

Furious · 08-28-2012, 02:49 PM

Thank you, that is helpful.

One more question (for now): Any idea what "AO" and "GO" are? (They are the last two values in the pitching files, but I don't know what they mean.)

Spritze · 08-29-2012, 01:38 AM

Air Outs and Ground Outs

08-15-2012, 01:18 PM	#1
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	PCL with Negro Leaguers I bought the game a few days ago (OOTP11—the most recent version my system supports) hoping the following would be possible: A league where the PCL exists alongside the Majors but declares itself a major and integrates 20 years before the "eastern" majors do. I've downloaded Cooleyvol and ctorg's PCL database and Spritze's "no asians" database. Are these all I need? Do they work together? I am a complete novice, I've never even played OOTP—but from what I've been reading it seems like what I'm trying to do is possible. The directions that come with the PCL database seem clear enough, so I don't think I'll have a problem getting that part of it to work, it's the addition of the Negro Leaguers that I'm unclear on. Since Spritze's db contains PCL players, is the PCL database even necessary? Or does it contain something that the Spritze db does not? Thanks in advance for your help.

08-15-2012, 02:00 PM	#2
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Spritze's db has MLB and PCL players in it. If you only want the PCL and Negro players, you'll need to merge the two db together into one. Remember, 1958 starts the fictional player portion of your league (as far as PCLers goes). Sprite's 'no asians' db does not give you ONLY Negro Leaguers. I 'think' you'll have to manually pull them out and place them in the PCL db. Last edited by Cooleyvol; 08-15-2012 at 02:02 PM.

08-16-2012, 02:44 AM	#8
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Everything in their db is in the OOTP 13 Spritze HS database. BUT It's got all the Asians as well. Very few are good enough to play in the bigs though. Only the top 1 or 2 percent make the majors usually. The No Asians db doesn't have PCL players as it was from before they were added. I plan on updating the Spritze OOTP13 HS database this weekend, maybe I should make a new No Asians one at the same time. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-16-2012, 11:59 AM	#10
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	OOTP11 databases are not compatible with OOTP12/OOTP13. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-29-2012, 01:38 AM	#16
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Air Outs and Ground Outs __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

08-15-2012, 04:36 PM	#3
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	Thanks, Cooleyvol. Actually, I need for there to be MLB players, PCL Players, AND Negro Leaguers; I want the PCL to consist of players from all three sources, while the NL and AL will be made up of just MLB and PCL players, plus fictional players to pad out the rosters (if necessary). With that configuration, do I still need your database, or will Spritze's suffice? Does yours contain anything that his is missing?

08-15-2012, 04:57 PM	#4
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I have no clue how you're going to basically use three different databases for one league, basically.

08-15-2012, 07:26 PM	#5
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	I have far less of a clue about any of this than you do. Like I said, complete novice, haven't even played the game yet. What three databases are you referring to? I mentioned two—your PCL db and Spritze's non-asian db. My question was, is there anything in your PCL db that isn't included in Spritze's? Spritze's database has PCL, MLB and Negro League players—that's ONE database, right? Isn't that all I need? Or am I missing something?

08-15-2012, 08:15 PM	#7
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	I'm not sure I need it to do that anyway. It would be nice if it put all the PCL players on their proper PCL teams but if it can't, I can do that manually; I'll be moving players from one team to another anyway. What I still don't know is what, if anything, I need from the Cooleyvol/ctorg PCL database if your database already includes all the PCL players.

08-16-2012, 10:49 AM	#9
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	I should have specified—the db I was looking at was this one: Spritze DB for OOTP 11 - Real Debut, Real Team, No Asians It definitely has PCL players and Negro Leaguers in it, I just wasn't sure if it had all the PCL players. I have some other questions but I think I'll just start tinkering around with what I have and see what happens, hopefully that will give me a better understanding about how all this stuff works. Then I'll pop back in and hound you guys some more. Thanks a lot for your help, and for your work on these databases. It is very much appreciated.

08-16-2012, 08:15 PM	#11
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	That's okay, 12 & 13 aren't supported by my antiquated OS, so I'm running OOTP 11 (see original post).

08-18-2012, 11:07 AM	#12
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	And the barrage of annoying questions begins... Referring to the aforementioned OOTP 11 Spritze files: 1) Where did the Negro League stats in the database come from? 2) Why is there a Batting.csv and a Batting2.csv? What is the difference between them? 3) I'm able to edit the .csv files easily enough, but the game doesn't recognize the changes. I'm guessing this means I need to edit the historical_database.odb file as well. Can I do that in a text program or do I need something else?

08-28-2012, 02:49 PM	#15
Furious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 299	Thank you, that is helpful. One more question (for now): Any idea what "AO" and "GO" are? (They are the last two values in the pitching files, but I don't know what they mean.)