Historical League with random debut?

[wiggins]

Can some one tell me how to start this kind of league? Do I just start any year and say 1927, and in setup is there a box to check? I want to have all the players be free agents and have an inaugural draft, but would like to see someone like Pete Rose be available the following year. Do you have minors or just reserve rosters. I'm not even sure if I'm asking this right.

[Sabermetric Baseball]

This is not possible using the Random Debut feature from within the game. However, if you know SQL you can set it up similar to the way that leagues used to do Random Debut.

[wiggins]

Thanks SB. I guess that's my question. What is possible using random debut. What is the typical setup. I have no idea what SQL is, nor do I want to try and figure it out. I guess I'm intrigued with the random debut. What kind of league is it used in and again what is the setup.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by wiggins

Thanks SB. I guess that's my question. What is possible using random debut. What is the typical setup. I have no idea what SQL is, nor do I want to try and figure it out. I guess I'm intrigued with the random debut. What kind of league is it used in and again what is the setup.

You can use random debut starting in any year you choose. It is just like starting a historical league in that regard. When you choose random debut you will automatically get an inaugural draft. If you want it to follow history with expansion and such, just make sure you check that box during setup.

[wiggins]

David, how is that different then my original question? So if I start in 1927, are all the players from the 1927 season? Or are they from all different years? Is there minor leagues or just reserve rosters? Is there a financial system in place?. Do players from random years come in as rookies? Are they free agents when they come in the league or is it a rookie draft each year? And what is the reason for picking a specific year to start? Trying to get an idea on what the league is before I do all the work.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by wiggins

David, how is that different then my original question? So if I start in 2, are all the players from the 1927 season? Or are they from all different years? Is there minor leagues or just reserve rosters? Is there a financial system in place? I'm trying to get a feel on what the league would be like.

If you start in 1927 and choose random debut from the start, you will get players from all different periods and all different ages(example, you may get a 20 year old Pete Rose or 38 year old Rose) The financials will be just like they are in a historical league. There is a box to check if you want them to change according to history. As for minor leagues, you can have them, but they aren't needed for development purposes. After the first year, players will debut according to their first season in the league.

[wiggins]

David, thanks for the answers. ,That's what I was looking for.Last questions, If you use minors, the game develops enough players to fill whatever many levels you choose? Is it best to choose just a reserve roster, and can you choose how large you want that roster? Have you played this type pf league?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by wiggins

David, thanks for the answers. ,That's what I was looking for.Last questions, If you use minors, the game develops enough players to fill whatever many levels you choose? Is it best to choose just a reserve roster, and can you choose how large you want that roster? Have you played this type pf league?

I always used reserve rosters and limited them to 30 players. The game does not develop enough players to fully stock multiple levels of minors.

I tried random debut a bunch when I first got 13. Just couldn't make it work the way I wanted. I really think random debut would work best with a "early debut" database instead of the database that comes with the game. Plus, the game over compensates power in the modern era, resulting in guys hitting 70+ bombs on a regular basis.

I really wish I could play random debut in say 1975 and have all the players perform strictly according to their ratings with nothing artificial added to try and make players fit the time period.

[tds787]

Well, the game will develop a draft pool with as many players as you set it to. The problem is the percentages of great players vs historical scrubs gets wonky if you have too large a player pool every year.

I've used a 3 round draft with a reverse roster of 30 max and haven't had any issues. I don't think minors was really intended for this sort of setup.

[old timer]

Originally Posted by David Watts

If you start in 1927 and choose random debut from the start, you will get players from all different periods and all different ages(example, you may get a 20 year old Pete Rose or 38 year old Rose) The financials will be just like they are in a historical league. There is a box to check if you want them to change according to history. As for minor leagues, you can have them, but they aren't needed for development purposes. After the first year, players will debut according to their first season in the league.

Are you sure about getting a 38 year old Pete Rose? I've been using random debut for a while now and in more than one league and all players have debuted young. The only thing I haven't had is an inaugural draft with them.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by old timer

Are you sure about getting a 38 year old Pete Rose? I've been using random debut for a while now and in more than one league and all players have debuted young. The only thing I haven't had is an inaugural draft with them.

I'm sure. Guys come in at all different ages.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by old timer

Are you sure about getting a 38 year old Pete Rose? I've been using random debut for a while now and in more than one league and all players have debuted young. The only thing I haven't had is an inaugural draft with them.

In year one the ages are random for all players. In year two and on they are all at their major league debut age.

[The Game]

Wiggans I have played 2 Random debut leagues. in league 1 i have 60 MLB teams with a AAA (2 separate 30 teams leagues associated starting year was originally 2000) 5 round Ammy draft.
In league #2 I started in 1871 20 man rosters 15 man reserve roster. 2 round Ammy Draft for now til talent spreads thin. I have 9 SP from 1980-2011. I wanted to simulate a more accurate roster size for that era but OOTP won't let me. Also not being able to choose how many pitchers should be on a roster is going to complicate my league I think.
Also Spritz is correct.
BTW I use a Spritz-Gambo DB for these leagues so I have a ton more players then the stock 13 DB. Negro, Nippon, PCL.

[wiggins]

Thanks guys, are others runnung into the same issue with HR totals? If so, should I adjust the HR modifiers before I even start?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by wiggins

Thanks guys, are others runnung into the same issue with HR totals? If so, should I adjust the HR modifiers before I even start?

In my 2000 start I have yet to have an issue. High so far is 49. I am in 2004.
For my 1871, I am in 1876 and high is 7 by Bernie Williams.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by The Game

In my 2000 start I have yet to have an issue. High so far is 49. I am in 2004.
For my 1871, I am in 1876 and high is 7 by Bernie Williams.

Are you using recalc?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Are you using recalc?

Not sure, I want to say yes. if it is normally on then it is still on.

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by wiggins

Can some one tell me how to start this kind of league? Do I just start any year and say 1927, and in setup is there a box to check? I want to have all the players be free agents and have an inaugural draft, but would like to see someone like Pete Rose be available the following year. Do you have minors or just reserve rosters. I'm not even sure if I'm asking this right.

Sounds sorta like what I'm doing here but in 1927: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...g-forward.html